92/100, should've been 93 but i was too close-minded in my spelling of iggy's last name. list seems spot on.

anyone in here into studying film thats taken a look at andrew wiggins defensively? is he someone you think ever becomes a positive team defender?

i thought thibs would have some type of positive enforcement on aw's technique and overall awareness. but its just not happening. hes quite possibly the worst perimeter defender ive taken a look at over the last two years on film. (side note: i didnt pay for nbalp the last two years, so i barely saw minny play live) especially someone getting this many minutes.

the kid stands on his heels, with his arms down and doesn't even pretend to like bending his knees and getting into a stance. which is sad because he has so much physical potential. its possible butler helps in this area more than thibs has.

Andrew is the perfect combination of lack of awareness, dgaf, and the inability to use his tools imo. He could be one of the worst rebounders I've ever seen for his size.

Look at how upright he stands on some of these plays, in particular the last one.

TT contract was inflated in part because it was through Lebron's agency, but he is not worth the 18-20MM a year he will make for the next 3 seasons. The cap will also be smaller than expected. Arguably, TT's current stats underrate his value but he still has to be viewed as a negative asset.

If tt hit the open market right now he might not even get 4/50. Nerlens noel will be a good benchmark for his present value.

Deng was very capable at his peak. Stop with the alternative facts please.

Obv, there's nothing worse than Bullsfan. Rose is the least deserving MVP since Iverson>Shaq. And they both won for similar reasons.

Nash?

Havent seen it discussed ITT but what is SAS doing giving Pau 16m for 2 years? With LMA likely opting out, they have tons of cap room next summer to get in on the Bron/Russ/PG13/CP3/etc sweepstakes.

Also Javale back to GS at 1yr minimum again. There was discussion on here 2-3 months ago that he would get something like 3/25. Last offseason he probably does.

Market dried up fast for bums.

No. Career 15.4 PER and .527 TS. Only above average skill was defense.

Nash was fine. Kobe or LeBron probably shoulda won in '06 but you could at least make an argument for Nash winning. Rose was pretty indefensible. Voter fatigue was the excuse but if that was the case Dwight shoulda won. Dwight & LeBron were in a tier of their own that year.

nash's first mvp is on par with rose's imo. lotta parallels there actually. both unexpectedly won their conferences while individually playing much better than expected. both were also outperformed individually by other players

edit: i think if you look at nash's 2004-2005 #s you'll have a hard time considering rose's win outrageous and nash's (first) win reasonable

They likely had an under the table agreement that they would give him at least what he would have gotten had he opted in. Going back on that deal would make it even tougher for them to convince players to come to SA.

my memory may be failing me, but wasn't the suns offense that year pretty great? Makes it easier to defend an all-offense mvp (specially a PG) if he commands a top offense

Right. Nash went to a team that was 21st in ORTG & went 29-53 the year before and turned them into a team that led the league in ORTG and won 60 games. The narrative was at least there. Also, one of the greatest players of all-time wasn't smack in the center of his peak in '04-'05.

The Bulls weren't a great team because of Rose (despite what Bullsfan would have you believe) they were a great team because of their D (1st in DRTG by far). Don't get me wrong, Rose was a top 5 player, but he just wasn't close to as valuable as LeBron or Dwight were that year.

I don't know what's going on with Noel, getting traded for a 2nd rounder and still be a FA at the end of July is weird, but TT has a totally fair contract and if he hit the open market back in July he would've definitely got around what he makes now. $18M is typical starter money with a $100M cap.

yes the suns' offense was elite and nash essentially absorbed all the credit for that*, but i am saying you should go look at nash's #s (advanced stats not bulk #s). for instance nash was only 13th in offensive bpm that year and rapm did not love his offensive contributions either. he was also "only" like 15th in per i think


*well not all b/c dantoni won COY


edit: point being here that if that season was being run now we might be picking nash's #s apart, not to mention his defensive shortcomings

his advanced stats were much better in the 2005-2006 season fwiw. highest orapm in the league that season

i also i realize i am cherry picking stats there, but my point is that at least for that year there is some evidence that the suns' offense was elite for reasons well beyond nash being godlike. they ran uptempo small ball lineups with amare at center and 3-4 3pt shooters at a time. and all this at a time when teams still didn't really shoot 3s. he was great but there was a lot going on there, as was the case with rose.

also, nash's uptick in production the next season when amare went down begs the usual question of how scheme and role influence these advanced statistics, as well as our perception of player value/ability. nash increased his usg and efficiency when amare went down. who knows whether he could have done that year before if he had needed to, or if he had improved after a year in dantoni's system

Don't call Marion a 3 point shooter.

shot .342% from downtown with the Suns

#D&3

Yeah but you can't call that real due to the Nash and/or D'Antoni Equilibrium

So why not just tell him to opt in then? Guaranteeing him a 2018-2019 salary at 16m is pretty bad.

That 16m next offseason could be a problem if other top guys want to go there. Yeah I guess if you need to you can flip it but going into next offseason with just Kawhi/rookie deal guys under contract would've been ideal.

In hindsight it would have been better for him to just opt in, but they didn't know how the off-season would go at that time. I'm assuming that if needed, he was willing to structure his contract differently to help the team, but that didn't end up being necessary.

Here is a decent explanation.

https://www.poundingtherock.com/2017...act-make-sense

i wasn't counting marion. nash, joe johnson, and quentin richardson in the starting lineup. maybe i just should have said 3 shooters as it doesn't look like barbosa played with nash much

This. He's Dray or Iggy basically wrt outside shooting.

Geoff destroying re: Nash.

Who would you rather have: prime Nash or prime Kidd?