NBA Offseason Thread 2017 - Page 182 - Sporting Events and Fantasy Sports

Trade him on draft day or last february

Once you realize your star is KAT and your supposed elite role player still does not play defense despite being coachrd by the greatest NBA defensive mind of the last 15 years

07-20-2017 , 12:01 PM

#4527

tarheeljks

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Funny thing is Deron Williams is prob better than Rose.

Can't imagine they want to trade Wiggins, but even if they did it prob isn't viable unless there is friction between him and Towns

07-20-2017 , 12:06 PM

#4528

bigt2k4

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Quote:

Originally Posted by EYESCREW

re: the importance of dominant bigs in today's NBA

If you are a GM and you could have the number 1 pick in a draft of all current NBA players available at their current ages and a 20 year old Shaq is there any way somebody other than Shaq is selected?

The game has changed so much but Shaq was so ridiculously good. Would his presence alone be enough to force all other teams to reformat their entire teams and style of play?

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Originally Posted by Seadood228

Also The thought of prime Shaq in a PnR with a good PG is sexy as hell. We didn't see him do it much with LA, but we are talking about the guy that iirc still has the highest max vert at the combine despite being built like a tank.

You don't PnR Shaq, you feed him the ball in the post. This part of the game has died because it's not a very efficient shot so teams have turned away from using it. If you have a guy that is capable of making it a super efficient shot then you do it, and if other teams can't adjust to it because everyone else stopped doing it then you do it more.

Problem is to be a good post scorer you need to be incredibly efficient as a post scorer and you need to be able to pass well so you can't be double teamed in the post. Shaq was great at both

07-20-2017 , 12:13 PM

#4529

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That looks like a max for AW.. Why THE **** would you do that now? What is there to gain by extending and locking him in for literally six years at max money right now when you can do the same thing in 11 months?

What am I missing? This seems a lot like the CJ extension which I hated at the time.

Good for other teams in the NW I guess.

07-20-2017 , 12:17 PM

#4530

guivre1408

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Another decrease in cap prevision and this will be a wonderful contract in 3 years when he still can't add wins

07-20-2017 , 12:20 PM

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I feel like there's a leak in my NBA knowledge because I just don't see the upside in doing this (or CJ's last year)... I guess good karma with the agent, but that seems mighty thin as a reason. Does anyone have any ideas?

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07-20-2017 , 12:30 PM

#4532

capone0

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Rose is so bad. Cavs going back to their old ways. I know Cavs are in a weird spot but adding aged marginal talent doesn't seem like a great plan. Rose wasn't that bad last year but does he really want to play off the ball and/or on the bench most of the time? Are the Cavs already planning for the post-Lebron era?

07-20-2017 , 12:40 PM

#4533

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MIN scared because they lost Love by playing hardball with him and not paying him asap

07-20-2017 , 12:47 PM

#4534

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i'd take deron as the backup in la. cant really think of any other pgs worth signing.

lawson maybe. ennis could be someone they consider, woof. collison should be out since they want characters guys and he smacks his ***** up.

also agree with the dood re wiggins. let him become a rfa and match.

07-20-2017 , 12:51 PM

#4535

SteveSax

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yup deron in LA makes sense

07-20-2017 , 12:52 PM

#4536

Seadood228

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Well letting him get to RFA has problems as well. The thing is they can max him next year for the same amount prior to that, and then they get another year of evaluation plus can move off him if for some reason his body shreds up or whatever.

I just don't understand max extensions the year prior at all, especially for teams projected to be under the cap... *cough* Utah Jazz Rudy Gobert *cough*.

07-20-2017 , 12:54 PM

#4537

BDHarrison

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Are we going to get Lebron in the Eastern Conference finals looking like he doesn't really want to win and is just playing out the string before he leaves in free agency, just as he looked in his last playoff series in his first Cleveland run?

07-20-2017 , 12:55 PM

#4538

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Derrick Rose signing with the Cavs would mean every NBA MVP winner from 2009-2016 would be on either Cleveland or Golden State.

07-20-2017 , 01:00 PM

#4539

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BDHarrison

Why would he do that in the CF? Who is there to stop him? He averaged 27/9/7 on 55% TS% against the Celtics his last year in Cleveland (with 4.5 TOVs a game). 37 year old Shaq was the 2nd best player for the Cavs that year with Mo/Jamison/Parker/AV being pretty marginal. Boston was a better playoff team in how they were constructed and Lebron eventually figured it out. Despite winning 60+ games the Cavs had little shot in the playoffs against teams with better top end talent.

07-20-2017 , 01:49 PM

#4540

FlyWf

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Capone, that's extremely result-oriented thinking.

07-20-2017 , 01:51 PM

#4541

FlyWf

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I don't actually mind Rose, that's the sort of veteran scrub a winning team should park. Either he plays well or he rides the bench, they won't need to ride him if he's bad.

And Cedi Osman is a legit draft and stash guy. Lue will probably **** it up but the Spurs apparently wanted him pretty badly, on a good team a versatile athletic wing who can shoot is a critical piece.

07-20-2017 , 02:03 PM

#4542

kidcolin

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Like I said, cavs aren't finaling.

07-20-2017 , 02:08 PM

#4543

SteveSax

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Lebron would have to get hurt

07-20-2017 , 02:09 PM

#4544

Seadood228

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I think KC is right, Cavs might not final.

07-20-2017 , 02:11 PM

#4545

SteveSax

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way to put yourself out there

07-20-2017 , 02:19 PM

#4546

kidcolin

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I was doing it before it was cool

07-20-2017 , 02:22 PM

#4547

kidcolin

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Quote:

Originally Posted by THAY3R

Bump.

07-20-2017 , 02:38 PM

#4548

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Quote:

Originally Posted by All-inMcLovin

Derrick Rose signing with the Cavs would mean every NBA MVP winner from 2009-2016 would be on either Cleveland or Golden State.

They should trade Kyrie for Westbrook and coax Kobe out of retirement.

Rose
Kobe
Westbrook
LBJ
Love

07-20-2017 , 03:09 PM

#4549

yellowfever

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Cavs automatic finals next season

07-20-2017 , 03:24 PM

#4550

JayTeeMe

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Seems like if the Wolves are willing to totally max Wiggins then there's nothing to discuss? Ongoing negotiations have to mean sub-max right?

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