Seadood closer to right about Plumlee than everyone else is. He's pretty good. Most centers are currently trash. He can be a league average starting center and still not be a top 100 player.

This is an example of a bunch of UNC slappies hating on and underrating a Duke player. Their frothy bias is so bad they don't even know they're doing it.

It's why C-Vig hates Kyrie. They all think Ingram is like worthless and not even a legitimate prospect anymore too.

in for draft

Center rankings are like


Gobert
Towns
Jokic
Gasol
DAJ
Whiteside
Cousins
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Turner
Brook
Drummond
Jonas
Dwight
Adams
Horfraud


Thats 14. Plumlee easily has an argument to go off the board next or very soon. Itd be between him and Gortat, Monroe, Rolo, and Kanter.

I'd take Plumlee over all 4.

I have DMC atleast over DAJ/Whiteside and probably pretty close with Gasol/Jokic/KAT

At being a cancer perhaps

i'd have cody zeller somewhere in the top half of centers, hornets sucked a lot with him out

embiid is also obv a top center when he's on the court

Yeah was just working off a bref list of centers they must have Cody as a PF. He def belongs.

Lol Embiid.

I don't really think nuggets can justify paying plumlee much more than minimum. Even something like 4 yrs/ 20MM has huge downside.

Well yeah Nuggets don't need a C. For a bunch of other teams he's easily worth more than that.

tut you couldn't be more wrong on the duke front, i actually still think ingram is a sick prospect

you just think kyrie is like a top 10 player and i got that as lol

re draft:

id be willing to set up everything on 2k17 and sim it to playoffs and upload games via YT. cant stream coz residential net sucks in aus

If that was the deal it'd be a steal for Denver, at worst they can flip him for good assets on a contract like that. I doubt it gets to that point.. Mason is in a rough spot financially because he's an old RFA and all indications are that the market will be just as constricted, meaning if he waits until next year to try and get a deal as a UFA there might not be much out there.

I think he ends up with something like a 2+1 or a 1+1 on a very reasonable number, but I could also seeing him taking the QO and being a cheap expiring.

Average starter money seems to be about 13-14M/year, but with the modernization of the league centers will make less. I'm thinking 10M/year is about right for an average C, but I can buy the arguments that he's not average starter.. the arguments that he's worse than say #20 are completely lol and I'd like to see the data to back that up.

Perhaps even more LOL are his 538 CARMELO projections though. Bargain!

I get the hate though, he's extremely difficult to watch because he can't shoot and has terrible form and rhythm.

That would be sweet.

What do you think of doing a salary cap draft? The best players ITL might not even go #1 which is weird, but I think it'd make for an interesting draft with different strategies.

Duke players are fine for the most part sans Okafor/Rivers and even they aren't that bad. Plumlee's got overpaid as a whole but that's been true of many players, UNC players included.

Ingram did have a **** rookie year but could still be good since he's so young and so skinny.

Duke has much less troll players nowadays and their basically a ****tier version of UK at getting 1 and done guys--so extremely high talent but they don't have the quality of A Davis/Cousins/Walls except for Kyrie.

yeah im down

when we talk about "league average [POSITION]", i think its important to note that it means very different things for different spots at different times.

plumlee might be the ~15th best C, but the difference between him and #25 is minimal, the difference between him and #5 is substantial.

most of these players are way better than plumlee imo. jonas isn't and idk wtf is up w/drummond these days. but saying he's the next guy on this list doesn't mean a lot to me-- assuming that is true-- b/c i see a big drop even w/n the end of this list you have made

also zeller plays C the vast majority of the time for the hornets

edit: agree with this. also for the purpose of most discussions here i think league average refers to rotation players, if not starters. the set of players being referenced is usually ambiguous though

This is a good point. Center is arguably the weakest position in the league as well. The difference between the fifteenth best pg and the 25th is likely much larger than that of centers.

also lol at the plumlee discussion having anything to do w/duke

I don't think it's arguable given the way the NBA is starting to space out the floor. That was part of my whole point when the trade was made--there will be a bunch of guys who get paid big-time $$$ at the top and only a few will be worth it (Olynyk I think was an overpay), then a bunch of guys at the bottom who got paid last year and are now albatrosses.

The guys who are signed now and next year (sans Kelly) will likely be bargains until the market corrects itself again. Some say this year is the correction, but I don't buy it given the lower salary cap $$$s and how far off the same people were about the contracts that are being given out now.

another interesting phenomenon is that, as it happens right now, the best teams in the league dont have a dominant post-threat center, so teams trying to make title runs dont need to have a guy, the way that you need to have someone to cover lebron, or needed to have a guy to cover shaq.

a good defensive center is always beneficial, but plumlee doesnt seem like he's that.

if you're not someone who can effectively play defense and also shoot (like a draymond or to a way lesser extend horford, who is waaay better than half these scrubs), you're just not worth much.

Since we are talking centers apparently nerlens is upset the mavs have not made him a big offer. I assume the mavs have been waiting to see if anyone puts an offer in which doesn’t seem very likely now, especially at a high value.

Rumors before were he might get 20 million a year. Now I’m wondering if that is likely to happen. I think it is a bit of a reach but I would be okay if they were forced to go that high. It doesn’t seem likely at this point. Certainly Noel could hold out for UFA next year and hope for a big deal then. If the mavs can get him for plumlee plus two I say go for it.

noel is a guy who is provably not a talented offensive player and not yet a provably elite defensive center, $20mill is outrageous.

Well that's one of his issues, he's really, really dumb, possibly bottom 2% in the league for intelligence and yet he thinks he's one of its best players. He definitely thought that while on the sixers.