I'd rather have Chris Johnson. But Stevens will probably make Evan Turner look alright and then he'll get traded for air and we'll all live happily ever after. It's kinda pointless, but maybe he's doing this as a favor to ET's agent or some crap.

I mean yeah the league is generally much sharper but there are still more fish front offices/owners than sharps and ET delivers PPG.

Think Turner will be starting for Celtics on the tank, much like Sixers tank? Seems like he must be on the bench behind Green but who knows what they will do

Thought it was relevant, sorry folks.

I'm really hesitant to just label front offices "fish" since almost all of them have smart people working in them at this point, but it does seem like some franchises simply do not get it. That's probably in spite of the best efforts of some smart guys and gals trying really hard to convince BASKETBALL PEOPLE and SCOUTS to not do terrible things to their franchises.

As much as it's hilarious to say, it's not like players as mediocre as Evan Turner actually grow on trees. He's young, a career underachiever who still has > 12 PER for his career and has contribted ~ 10 DWS. He has some Tony Allen-TYPE of player potential in him even now. Someone probably will take him, it doesn't make them total morons to do so.

Paying him like he's gonna turn into DeMarr Derozan would be totally idiotic, though.

EDIT: So in that regard, maybe it's as simple as Ainge thinks "this guy still has potential and neither Philly or Indiana were ever gonna get it out of him, so now we might as well try for like 1/3 of his expired deal."

Doesn't even matter if they miss, they're not in a try-to-win season.

And people wondered why Kidd wanted either more power or wanted out.

Let's play over/under on advanced payments:
Lavoy Allen - $250,000
Carmelo Anthony - $35,000,000
Avery Bradley - $4,800,000
Luol Deng - $4,000,000
Boris Diaw - $2,500,000
Pau Gasol - $10,000,000
Marcin Gortat - $5,000,000
Gordon Hayward - $8,500,000
LeBron James - $35,000,000
Shawn Livingston - $1,750,000
Kyle Lowry - $7,500,000
Jodie Meeks - $2,000,000
Patty Mills - $750,000
Dirk Nowitzki - $4,500,000
Chandler Parsons - $7,000,000
Patrick Patterson - $3,000,000
Lance Stephenson - $4,000,000
Isaiah Thomas - $4,000,000

Note: Not all players received an advanced payment

Awful point. Cavs can be favs to title, but only b/c west is stacked. Cavs would be dogs to whoever they face in the finals...

Should the Spurs trade Kawhi+Green+picks for Kevin Love, though?

You want to talk about a closing championship window, Tiago Splitter is like 2 days younger than Lebron.

Yeah i don't get this at all unless Huestis agreed to this prior to the draft and the Thunder won't sign him unless he rolls with it. That being said, dude's about to be paid poverty wages just to help out the Thunder owner from spending a little more scrilla? Damn dude, Stanford education and you can basically qualify for food stamps y1 after being drafted in the first round. I think it's way more +EV for him to sign in euroland than risk being f'd over by Presti.

I'd put McDonough in the Buford/Hinkie tier as well

The Raptors are going to tear some hearts out this year.

Teej pick, Bledsoe trade, Horny hiring. Those are A+, A+, A+

But the man did draft Alex Len over Nerlens Noel. Let's wait to see more before getting too hyped over him. If Teej is ultra sick he definitely ticks up and Hinkie ticks down for taking a lolclefto instead.

Care to explain how it was an awful point? Someone posted that you should trade for Kevin Love because it makes them title favorites, I then pointed out how they already are title favorites.

51% 99%

So the C's depth chart getting kinda crowded

Rondo/Pressey
Bradley/Smart/Thornton
Green/Wallace/Turner/Young
Sully/Bass/Loel
Kelly/Zeller/Vitor

plus we have chris johnson + chris babb non-gtd

First of all, it doesn't look like Turner is in line for big minutes with all of the other SF's who figure to play present. Also I don't think Ainge normally carries 15 guaranteed contracts into training camp, so I wonder if this means Jeff Green is about to hit the bricks. I really hope it does.

Babb, Johnson and Bogans are doomed. From there it's kind of an adventure but I doubt there are takers for Green right now. Large salary, doesn't really improve anyone, plays a crowded position.

On the note of crowded positions, SG is like the WOAT right now.

How would you compare freshman TJ Warren as an NBA prospect to freshman Parker? Warren took some rather major steps forward from one year to the next.

Well that same thing is true about their title chances if they trade for Love. He doesn't make them a favorite over the Spurs or Thunder either.

I just don't understand the argument in not trading Wiggins for Love. With love and LeBron they should be a 60 win team. I just don't understand the hype of someone who has not played an NBA game yet to a proven all-star.

Some say wait a year, but then they have to compete against several California teams, where Love would like to play. If they wait a year they have to gamble he'll play there.

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i wouldn't know, I didn't watch freshman TJ. or really sophomore TJ for that matter. I just know summer league TJ

I think TJ's style is more amenable to large improvements because he actually tries to maximize EV in some regards whereas Jabari is pretty much a barbarian. Unless he actively changes his approach I feel like Jabroni just can't improve enough to become positive. He'd have to become surprisingly good on defense and run good on shot making development.

Because it's literally impossible to execute this trade.

Does it really bother you this much that people don't include the necessary salary filler?

The heart of the trade is Wiggins for Love, which is why people reference it as such. Wiggins+TT+Whoever+picks for Love takes longer to type and doesn't really change anything.

I understand, however that is essentially the trade

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