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07-03-2014 , 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by sethypooh21
This isn't like, difficult, fly. X dollars, give or take, MUST be spent on salary. Two categories of players (rookie scale/SuperMax) tend to be very much undervalued. Since it's a relative thing, under/over valued is zero sum. Thus, if every other relevant category is undervalued, non-max non-rookies are basically by definition over valued.
OK if you want to play semantic games, yes, if you define it that way. Bradley getting market wages is much worse than paying a rookie below market, but this "X dollars must be spent on salary" is just nonsense. Like the CBA is forcing owner's hands to spend, rather than their desire to acquire valuable assets? The percentage of BRI component of the CBA is an enormous drag on player salary.

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But I'm sure the solution to just never pay anyone anything after their rookie contract unless you happened to get one of the 10-15 supermax guys wouldn't involve your arena being empty or anything like that.
What? Solution to what problem? I'm not solving any problem, I'm just saying that the idea that Bradley makes more money because "money has to go somewhere" is gibberish because money doesn't have to go anywhere. Owners WANT the services of basketball players, basketball player labor is extremely valuable.

Bradley is still a bad deal, imo
07-03-2014 , 05:05 PM
If it's a choice between overpaying a guy like Avery Bradley, and paying extra $$ to the players you already have because you're under the salary floor, obviously you'd rather give the money to Bradley. I realize that hurts your cap space in future years, but cap space is getting less and less valuable. Some of these teams below the salary floor are going to make some lol signings, Ben Gordon for 2/9 is just the beginning.

Can we lolhawks for giving away Bebe so they could dump Lou Williams for cap space, and then using that cap space to sign a player worse than Lou Williams?
07-03-2014 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by TheDean1
Raptors did pay Kyle Lowry same salary as CJ Miles and Thabo and Ben Gordon will be getting next season combined

when you stack these low contracts on end and compare em to a bigger one at good value, the big one almost always crushes.
this this this

all the value is in big contracts. or minimum/rooks.
07-03-2014 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by aejones
looking at hoops hype, so many of these teams have some CLEAN sheets after this year. new cba in action, i guess.
Yeah, we had a TZ talk about this, the new limits on contact length make expiring contracts way less valuable than they used to be. Like some Knicks slappies are consoling themselves about how after Melo leaves they'll have cap room in 2016 if they stop spending... but almost team will have cap room in 2016 if they stop spending. It's super easy to get cap room.
07-03-2014 , 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Billy Bibbit
If it's a choice between overpaying a guy like Avery Bradley, and paying extra $$ to the players you already have because you're under the salary floor, obviously you'd rather give the money to Bradley. I realize that hurts your cap space in future years, but cap space is getting less and less valuable. Some of these teams below the salary floor are going to make some lol signings, Ben Gordon for 2/9 is just the beginning.

Can we lolhawks for giving away Bebe so they could dump Lou Williams for cap space, and then using that cap space to sign a player worse than Lou Williams?
Oh wow I didn't even put those two things together, but yeah, wow, Danny Ferry. Get your **** together.
07-03-2014 , 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by napoleoninrags2
Right now it's live, ticket miami app that I have on phone. It's available on podcast around 7:20 pm but I can't say where it will be on podcast because they cut out commercials, etc. If it makes podcast version, I will tell you exactly where it's at later. Was on elliptical, heard him mocking it, and stopped and fired off text because I had just read that post a few hours earlier and it seemed a decent to good deal in comparison to a lot of these contacts.
07-03-2014 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by aejones
man the mavs have the cap space and three more years of dirk, i really hope they're able to land someone next year to be the marquee guy. lowry would have actually been a nice fit there, too.

who though?

i'd say they should sign someone like IT to an offer sheet at 4/40 or something, but **** their marriage to monta really kills a lot of their options.

I know it's a pipedream, but on the radio this morning they mentioned the possibility of signing Luol or Ariza this year, which would make our defense pretty damn good even with Dirk. Then, when Chandler's contract comes off the books, sign him for much less or not at all and go after Aldridge.

I'm not sure of the exact numbers, but even if we sign a SF this year, we should have up to $15mm to spend again once Chandler comes off the books.
07-03-2014 , 05:14 PM
Rick Reeves ‏@NBAReeves 1h
Hearing Ariza returning to the #Wizards is almost a done deal. Two sides still talking terms.
07-03-2014 , 05:28 PM
Hawks are having a horrendous offseason.
07-03-2014 , 05:30 PM
So much for that ferry "learning from his spurs experience and bud's influences" theory
07-03-2014 , 05:38 PM
what have they done?
07-03-2014 , 05:42 PM
fake Woj account just tookover twitter for a few seconds, lol
07-03-2014 , 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Yeah, we had a TZ talk about this, the new limits on contact length make expiring contracts way less valuable than they used to be. Like some Knicks slappies are consoling themselves about how after Melo leaves they'll have cap room in 2016 if they stop spending... but almost team will have cap room in 2016 if they stop spending. It's super easy to get cap room.
2015 tho

and cmon ya gotta have something to look forward to. I mean the cavs win the lottery more often than the knicks get to whiff on some cap space
07-03-2014 , 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Scherer716
what have they done?
Traded first-round Bebe to dump Lou Williams. Signed Thabo who is old and finished. Drafted Payne early who is possibly older than Thabo.
07-03-2014 , 05:50 PM
Functionally they traded Lou and Bebe for Thabo and the right to pay John Salmons a million bucks.
07-03-2014 , 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by aejones
man the mavs have the cap space and three more years of dirk, i really hope they're able to land someone next year to be the marquee guy. lowry would have actually been a nice fit there, too.

who though?

i'd say they should sign someone like IT to an offer sheet at 4/40 or something, but **** their marriage to monta really kills a lot of their options.
Calderon was really a nice fit with Monta, he was able to work well off the ball and hit 3s. They are a great suitor for another stretch 4 (Frye, Hawes even) but they have Chandler/Dirk/Wright already so not sure if they would want to pay for that much of a bigs rotation.

What if Cuban takes a flyer on LANCE?! Lance at SF, Monta at SG, undersized but insane penetration on offense. Just need a PG that can shoot and move off the ball, DJ Augustin could be okay.



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Originally Posted by BobboFitos
cant fault you for having an opinion.

but it's not even close. collison is one of the few guys even smaller than isaiah.
Collison must have like 3 inches on IT? We all know IT is really like 5'8"


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Originally Posted by Wooders0n
Traded first-round Bebe to dump Lou Williams. Signed Thabo who is old and finished. Drafted Payne early who is possibly older than Thabo.
Agree, but them getting Horford back is all they really needed. Bebe wouldn't play anytime soon. I fully expect them to re-sign Brand (is he still under contract? idk)

Hawks could definitely move Teague still as well
07-03-2014 , 05:57 PM
Lou Williams is done as an actual good player - if he can't draw fouls at a high rate he's just another chucker who can't play D, and he's getting older and has blown an ACL. Bebe already has chronic knee issues (he got shut down for 3 months last season). They also got a 2nd rounder out of it.
07-03-2014 , 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Functionally they traded Lou and Bebe for Thabo and the right to pay John Salmons a million bucks.
Pretty sure Orlando has done worse if you look at it like this.


Also, your offseason Mallory Edens update:



you're welcome
07-03-2014 , 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Wooders0n
Traded first-round Bebe to dump Lou Williams. Signed Thabo who is old and finished. Drafted Payne early who is possibly older than Thabo.
lou williams sucks, thats no loss. doesnt the noguiera guy have a messed up knee? (idk anything about it, saw it mentioned itt tho)

signing thabo is of little consequence. ive completely soured on him, so im not a fan of it, but i dont completely hate it either.
07-03-2014 , 06:01 PM
Also.. didn't Atlanta give the Bucks a future 2nd rounder for Lamar Patterson in the draft?
07-03-2014 , 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by napoleoninrags2
I wasn't aware that Lowry was that good last year until I read this in the morning. Hopefully your numbers are correct, because I was listening to Dan Lebatard show on app, heard him mocking Lowry contract and fired off text to him. I said he was disingenuous to use metrics to bolster his arguments and ignore them when trying to make a point. To his credit, he came back on air and basically quoted my text and said he got it wrong. So you educated me and him, and your post made his national show. I'm now that guy regurgitating stuff to radio hosts.
LeBatard is the best talking head in the media by far

If you listen to his radio show "That's fair criticism or I was wrong, I apologize" is said often

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Originally Posted by napoleoninrags2
Right now it's live, ticket miami app that I have on phone. It's available on podcast around 7:20 pm but I can't say where it will be on podcast because they cut out commercials, etc. If it makes podcast version, I will tell you exactly where it's at later. Was on elliptical, heard him mocking it, and stopped and fired off text because I had just read that post a few hours earlier and it seemed a decent to good deal in comparison to a lot of these contacts.
Pretty sure that the podcast is unedited outside of adding occasional prefaces from Mike Ryan or they've said they're going to include some content that didn't make the radio (listener songs mainly) - so nothing is omitted ever (outside of rare technical issues)

I listen to the pod daily so I'll post it if you forget to
07-03-2014 , 06:06 PM
Isn't the Thabo signing redundant w/ Demarre Carroll on the roster?
07-03-2014 , 06:14 PM
hes the backup 2/3 now. unless they've signed another wing im not aware of.
07-03-2014 , 06:20 PM
Ya I just can't remember a team w/ two similar 6'7+ wings who defend but don't score getting prominent minutes

Just need to sign a Korver lite and there's symmetry on the perimeter

Maybe get a hold of Marquis to back up Jeff too
07-03-2014 , 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by BobboFitos
this this this

all the value is in big contracts. or minimum/rooks.
this is true for every sport

      
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