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cavs in 4 6 6.90%
cavs in 5 25 28.74%
cavs in 6 25 28.74%
cavs in 7 7 8.05%
celts in 4 2 2.30%
celts in 5 2 2.30%
celts in 6 8 9.20%
celts in 7 12 13.79%
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Old 05-10-2010, 08:48 PM   #1826
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I agree with whoever said CP3 for Rondo (on Boston roster) makes them a Top 5 offense. CP3 isn't a serious threat from the arch, but he's a pretty good jump shooter from 18ft an under.

I watched A. Parker back off Rondo so far he was pretty much inside the FT Line, and Rondo turned down shot after shot. CP3 would of had a field day with 16ft jump shots.
no, hes a very good 3pt shooter.
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Old 05-10-2010, 08:48 PM   #1827
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OK, sorry.

I just hate seeing people make personal attacks on here. Not to imply you were, but others just do it too much
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Old 05-10-2010, 08:51 PM   #1828
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no, hes a very good 3pt shooter.
Threat: meaning he will take/force a lot. I think he's like a mid 30s, but he was shooting good this year from outside.
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Old 05-10-2010, 10:38 PM   #1829
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paul is at worst an above average 3pt shooter

edit: i seriously doubt you would say that kobe isn't a threat from 3pt land (34% career). shooting 35% as a creator is much different than shooting 35% in spot up situations

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Old 05-10-2010, 10:56 PM   #1830
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apparently he has a Monta Ellis-like ego and thinks his shot is just fine, which is pretty much my only reason to dislike him
Rondo spent extensive time working on his shooting with Mark Price last off season. Rondo is strong willed, but not arrogant - he works hard on his game. I expect him to become an average outside shooter over the course of his career - which will be most necessary later in his career as his quickness advantage over most defenders slips.


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http://www.basketball-reference.com/...1&p2=rondora01

out of the 7 games they've played in their career h2h, cp3 has done better in 6 of them

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...1&p2=rondora01

deron has also won the majority of his matchups vs rondo

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...1&p2=rondora01

rondo has won most of his matchups vs nash however

Re: Rondo/Paul - They don't like each other. Prepare for some epic future battles.

Re: Rondo/Williams - Williams effectively uses his superior size and strength to near abuse Rondo physically when they match-up.

Re: Rondo/Nash - Nash really struggles trying to stay in front of Rondo and looks uncomfortable with the match-up.


Going forward, I'd take either Williams or a healthy Paul in Rondo's place. I'd pass on Nash - simply due to the age factor.

I don't think any of these guys would put this year's Boston team over the top. While they are all better than Rondo today, they're not so much better that they would solve all the problems Boston has had this year.

Boston's age issue and bench inconsistencies aren't resolved through the acquisition of a PG alternative.
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Old 05-10-2010, 11:00 PM   #1831
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Rondo spent extensive time working on his shooting with Mark Price last off season.
definition of "extensive time" is vague, he said himself that improving his shot wasn't a priority and iirc followed that up with some delusional remarks about his game
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Old 05-10-2010, 11:03 PM   #1832
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I don't think you can make it to the NBA without being delusional about your game
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Old 05-10-2010, 11:04 PM   #1833
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definition of "extensive time" is vague, he said himself that improving his shot wasn't a priority and iirc followed that up with some delusional remarks about his game
Well the published reports actually said that he went to ATL and "worked out every day all summer with Price" though I'm sure that's an overstatement.
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Old 05-10-2010, 11:05 PM   #1834
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I don't think any of these guys would put this year's Boston team over the top. While they are all better than Rondo today, they're not so much better that they would solve all the problems Boston has had this year.
they are though. rondo's good, those 3 are studs. obv cannot say that they would be so good as to solve all problems b/c there are a few other very good nba teams but the celtics would be significantly better w/any of those 3. basically all you need to do here is take a step back and look at who is arguing that they are a cut above rondo and who isn't
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Old 05-10-2010, 11:09 PM   #1835
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definition of "extensive time" is vague, he said himself that improving his shot wasn't a priority and iirc followed that up with some delusional remarks about his game

http://boston.sportsthenandnow.com/2...ght-for-rondo/
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Old 05-10-2010, 11:30 PM   #1836
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they are though. rondo's good, those 3 are studs. obv cannot say that they would be so good as to solve all problems b/c there are a few other very good nba teams but the celtics would be significantly better w/any of those 3. basically all you need to do here is take a step back and look at who is arguing that they are a cut above rondo and who isn't

I'm not claiming that Rondo's better than any of those guys.

My point is that, imo, there is no switch at PG that would've had enough impact to change Boston from a 50 win team with playoff pride to a 60+ win true championship contender.

Now, if we were switching, say, the aging Paul Pierce for a Kevin Durant or Carmelo Anthony - now, there I'd say there was the type of hypothetical differential that would really impact that team's upside.

Paul, Nash or Williams weren't going to morph Garnett back to his old self or cause Rasheed to become infused with energy.

I guess the bottom line for me is that Boston's old, and I don't think that would change with an alternative PG running the show.
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Old 05-11-2010, 12:01 AM   #1837
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lol at everyone getting leveled itt by salty
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I'm not claiming that Rondo's better than any of those guys.

My point is that, imo, there is no switch at PG that would've had enough impact to change Boston from a 50 win team with playoff pride to a 60+ win true championship contender.

Now, if we were switching, say, the aging Paul Pierce for a Kevin Durant or Carmelo Anthony - now, there I'd say there was the type of hypothetical differential that would really impact that team's upside.

Paul, Nash or Williams weren't going to morph Garnett back to his old self or cause Rasheed to become infused with energy.

I guess the bottom line for me is that Boston's old, and I don't think that would change with an alternative PG running the show.
and my point, and that of others i believe, is that the celtics might be contending w/one of those 3. who says the bolded is the only thing that can make the celtics a contender? celtics are a great defensive team, problem is that their offense is not that good (even when accounting for a horrible bench). those 3 pgs are a lot better than rondo on offense, and as long as kg and perkins are in the frontcourt the celtics would still be very good defensively. significant net gain
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If the excess of greater-than signs means much, much greater, then I disagree. I will agree with one greater-than sign.

I do think that the separation between CP3's ability to shoot 3's and Rondo's is smaller than Rondo's ability to rebound over CP3's. So that kind of comes into play... but goodness I am digressing and going deeper to places in which I did not want to go.
I'd say that the difference between CP3's scoring ability and Rondo's is on the order of 10X larger than the difference between their respective rebounding abilities. So perhaps he didn't use enough ">"s. But what do I know...

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lol you guys are such terrible trolls, if you want to get your troll on, i can actually refer you to a guy that taught me everything i know, hes top top in his field. PM me for more info.
Just so it's clear; I don't know this guy, and haven't taught him anything.
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BTW, while this Rondo debate is pretty lol, it's much better than the previous 5 pages of AIDS-ridden ref whining.
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Old 05-11-2010, 12:16 AM   #1841
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hmm, is this a trick question? It's pretty much the definition of faulty logic.
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Old 05-11-2010, 12:25 AM   #1842
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Yes, he is a poor shooter. No arguing that.

The only reason this debate got started was that I said people are putting too much weight on his lack of shooting. When someone brought up the finals two years ago, I was just using that to add to what I was saying by stating that if you can win a championship with that poor shooting, it obviously isn't worthy of that much mention.
it was the finals two years ago, it was the playoffs last year vs the magic, and at other games in the series this year vs the cavs.

he was great this last game, when they sagged off him to about 10 ft from the hoop he attacked and made them make a decision. before this last game a lot of the time if people played off him he would debate whether or not he should take the shot, not think about attacking, and then pass the ball off to somebody covered.

the best example of this imo from the last game was where he made that sick pass in the 4th to pp who dunked it. he saw the open space, attacked, and made a good play with the ball.

after the first game in boston vs the cavs this year where the celts got blown out, i was wondering what kind of impact it would be on the team if they switched jameer nelson and rondo. there was no space on the court in that game for anyone besides rondo, and he didnt capitalize on it. obv he made adjustments and it showed(making this point moot)
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Old 05-11-2010, 12:28 AM   #1843
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omg lololol. you just placed the blame on our struggles this season purely on rondos "poor" shooting. jesus. i doubt you watched a single game of the celts besides the playoffs.

what works for me is that i dont respond in threads i know nothing about and subjects i cant speak intelligently on. that way i dont look like a giant ******.
and ranting about something he didnt say doesnt make you a "giant ******"?
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Old 05-11-2010, 01:32 AM   #1844
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and ranting about something he didnt say doesnt make you a "giant ******"?
lol..I was thinking that too when I read that response.
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Old 05-11-2010, 01:45 AM   #1845
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RONDOOOOOOOOO!

So sick. we have a chance again!
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Refs are indeed terrible, but its not riggage. They just suck. Both ways.
you must watch STO's own bruce drennan.
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Old 05-11-2010, 02:15 AM   #1846
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Well, hurray for the only good 2nd round series!
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You do realize I brought that up because you brought up the finals as if his shooting was problematic in some way, which it wasn't.

I think it is kind of hard to actually make a list because of a lot of the value these point guards bring to a roster depends on the cast that is around them. For example, Boston is a poor rebounding but has sufficient outside shooting. Rondo is needed to rebound but doesn't really need to hit a lot of outside shots for the team to successful. I would not trade him away for someone like CP3 who may be a lot better shooter and a little bit better passer but can't rebound at all or defend as well as Rondo, although CP3 may be the better choice on many rosters.
wat. i love rondo but id ship him off in a second for CP3.
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Old 05-11-2010, 06:29 AM   #1848
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I hope for the sake of us NBA fans this series goes 7. Otherwise we're S.O.L until the 19th for Gm. 1 of the WCF.

Playoffs just lost a lot of momentum having 3/4 teams sweep in round 2.
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Old 05-11-2010, 12:09 PM   #1850
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drennan is hilarious.
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