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cavs in 4 6 6.90%
cavs in 5 25 28.74%
cavs in 6 25 28.74%
cavs in 7 7 8.05%
celts in 4 2 2.30%
celts in 5 2 2.30%
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Old 05-10-2010, 06:47 PM   #1751
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Re: NBA Eastern Conference Playoffs: Cavaliers vs Celtics

Last thing an I'm done.. I haven't seen anyone disrespect his Reb/Def, ever.
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Old 05-10-2010, 06:48 PM   #1752
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you can win an NBA championship with me as your starting PG on offense, provided I have enough help from my teammates, that doesn't mean my shortcomings as an nba player aren't "that big of a problem"
Please, enough with the being able to win an NBA championship point. I didn't bring it up and only responded to what someone else said to me. I don't want that to be a part of my point.
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Old 05-10-2010, 06:48 PM   #1753
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I am not sure why I get myself involved in these types of debates in which people twist and turn what is said in all different directions.

My only point here is that Rondo gets too much disrespect for lack of shooting, and not even respect for ability to rebound and ability to defend because rebounding and defense are more important than basketball than outside shooting.
for a PG shooting the 3 well is >>>>> rebounding

EDIT: for example, if Rondo started rebounding at normal pg averages I doubt there would be a very noticeable effect on the Celtics rebounding as a whole. Where as if he started shooting 3's well they would be fundamentally different on offense, with many more options to run

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Old 05-10-2010, 06:48 PM   #1754
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OK, and too add on to that..

If he shot better today, right now, next game, they would win games easier, and not struggle like they have this season. Clearly there's no debate concerning his jumper, but, when you compare him to the top PGs in the league, this may be the only thing stopping him from breaking into that company.

I love to watch him play, and once he gets that shot going he'll be more unstoppable. Imagine if he had a J, teams couldn't double the post down low, and he would have a guy stuck to him cuz of it.


omg lololol. you just placed the blame on our struggles this season purely on rondos "poor" shooting. jesus. i doubt you watched a single game of the celts besides the playoffs.

what works for me is that i dont respond in threads i know nothing about and subjects i cant speak intelligently on. that way i dont look like a giant ******.
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Old 05-10-2010, 06:49 PM   #1755
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Last thing an I'm done.. I haven't seen anyone disrespect his Reb/Def, ever.
True.

But, there is a difference between lack of respect (neutrality/underestimation if you will) and disrespect.
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Old 05-10-2010, 06:50 PM   #1756
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omg lololol. you just placed the blame on our struggles this season purely on rondos "poor" shooting. jesus. i doubt you watched a single game of the celts besides the playoffs.

what works for me is that i dont respond in threads i know nothing about and subjects i cant speak intelligently on. that way i dont look like a giant ******.
he actually didn't do that, but wtv, reading comprehension would get in a way of any good rant
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omg lololol. you just placed the blame on our struggles this season purely on rondos "poor" shooting. jesus. i doubt you watched a single game of the celts besides the playoffs.

what works for me is that i dont respond in threads i know nothing about and subjects i cant speak intelligently on. that way i dont look like a giant ******.
another idiot..

Is it not clear the Celtics would be a better team if their POINT GUARD could shoot from the outside? I'm not exactly blaming Rondo for their season, he's obviously their best player at this point. But if he was able to score from beyond 8 feet, it would change the whole dynamic of that team.
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Old 05-10-2010, 06:54 PM   #1758
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for a PG shooting the 3 well is >>>>> rebounding
If the excess of greater-than signs means much, much greater, then I disagree. I will agree with one greater-than sign.

I do think that the separation between CP3's ability to shoot 3's and Rondo's is smaller than Rondo's ability to rebound over CP3's. So that kind of comes into play... but goodness I am digressing and going deeper to places in which I did not want to go.
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Old 05-10-2010, 06:55 PM   #1759
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If the excess of greater-than signs means much, much greater, then I disagree. I will agree with one greater-than sign.

I do think that the separation between CP3's ability to shoot 3's and Rondo's is smaller than Rondo's ability to rebound over CP3's. So that kind of comes into play... but goodness I am digressing and going deeper to places in which I did not want to go.
sorry, I edited that post to expand a little on the idea
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Old 05-10-2010, 06:56 PM   #1760
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If the excess of greater-than signs means much, much greater, then I disagree. I will agree with one greater-than sign.

I do think that the separation between CP3's ability to shoot 3's and Rondo's is smaller than Rondo's ability to rebound over CP3's. So that kind of comes into play... but goodness I am digressing and going deeper to places in which I did not want to go.
give me a break. paul is a good shooter and a very good rebounder. rondo is a very good rebounder and a terrible shooter. just straight up homer talk. you aren't even trying to be objective
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OK, and the cavs would be a better team if mo williams could bang down half court shots with a 100% FG %. lets say obvious stuff about how if a player does something better, the team will get better. you are talking like rondo is a god damn liability because of his shooting. the correct way to look at it is that rondo's rebounding, dribbling, passing, speed, quickness, toughness, fearlessness, basketball IQ makes us a much bettttter team. if he didnt accel at all those things, "it would change the whole dynamic of this team".
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why stop at halfcourt? at the opposite 3pt line no one has a prayer
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Old 05-10-2010, 06:58 PM   #1763
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OK, and the cavs would be a better team if mo williams could bang down half court shots with a 100% FG %.
if pg's around the league were hitting half court shots with 100% efficiency then that would seem reasonable
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sorry, I edited that post to expand a little on the idea
I agree with the edit. It's just that rebounding is soooo important in basketball and a lot of people don't grasp that. If it's not being done by other players, then it becomes exceedingly important for the PG, which is the case on the Celtics.
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give me a break. paul is a good shooter and a very good rebounder. rondo is a very good rebounder and a terrible shooter. just straight up homer talk. you aren't even trying to be objective
I don't know man; I just straight up disagree with this. Chris Paul is not a 'very good rebounder.'
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Old 05-10-2010, 07:02 PM   #1765
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I agree with the edit. It's just that rebounding is soooo important in basketball and a lot of people don't grasp that. If it's not being done by other players, then it becomes exceedingly important for the PG, which is the case on the Celtics.


I don't know man; I just straight up disagree with this. Chris Paul is not a 'very good rebounder.'
you are mistaken. the stats reflect this and on top of that paul is widely regarded as an excellent rebounder. tbh i'm trying to figure why you think he isn't
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lol you guys are such terrible trolls, if you want to get your troll on, i can actually refer you to a guy that taught me everything i know, hes top top in his field. PM me for more info.
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Old 05-10-2010, 07:04 PM   #1767
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OK, and the cavs would be a better team if mo williams could bang down half court shots with a 100% FG %. lets say obvious stuff about how if a player does something better, the team will get better. you are talking like rondo is a god damn liability because of his shooting. the correct way to look at it is that rondo's rebounding, dribbling, passing, speed, quickness, toughness, fearlessness, basketball IQ makes us a much bettttter team. if he didnt accel at all those things, "it would change the whole dynamic of this team".
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Old 05-10-2010, 07:05 PM   #1768
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They are in the conversation as favorites with the current roster (if everyone is 100% healthy). I think you are confusing Rondo being on the roster instead of one of those three players with the injuries the C's had this year. Substituting one of those three for Rondo this year without changing any of the injuries doesn't do a whole lot of change for this season.
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I agree with the edit. It's just that rebounding is soooo important in basketball and a lot of people don't grasp that. If it's not being done by other players, then it becomes exceedingly important for the PG, which is the case on the Celtics.


I don't know man; I just straight up disagree with this. Chris Paul is not a 'very good rebounder.'
Chris Paul averages more rebounds than Rajon Rondo.

WTF is wrong with you?

Like seriously, stop sucking up the forums. You and the other guy are making Celtics fans look like damn ******s. Epipen cannot appreciate this.
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i dont think you are capable of rational thought if you are talking like that, saying "not even coming close" what, he can and will stop those players.

im almost tilted, w/e thats what i get for arguing with bustos on the internet
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Rebounding is NOT a huge factor for PG's

Rebounding(Offensive and Defensive) takes away from fast break points. It leaves them under the basket instead of leaking out to lead a break.

You should NOT be looking for your PG to get a bunch of rebounds. That means there is a problem with your team. Your PG should get some, and it is better if they do, but if they are focusing on it then it is a problem. You guys are highly overrating how much Rondo's rebounds mean to a team. Its the same as LeBron. He gets half his rebounds from his own big men who could have gotten them. It would better serve him to lower his rebound total some(esp in situations I just mentioned) and leak out more on fast breaks.
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Chris Paul averages more rebounds than Rajon Rondo.

WTF is wrong with you?

Like seriously, stop sucking up the forums. You and the other guy are making Celtics fans look like damn ******s. Epipen cannot appreciate this.
Just trying to have some conversation here. What is it with people attacking others on here? What is wrong with you?

The fact that he averages more rebounds than Rondo does not really mean that much, and I hope you aren't saying that you think he is a better rebounder than Rondo.

I don't think I've said too much on here that is very out of line.
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Rebounding is NOT a huge factor for PG's

Rebounding(Offensive and Defensive) takes away from fast break points. It leaves them under the basket instead of leaking out to lead a break.

You should NOT be looking for your PG to get a bunch of rebounds. That means there is a problem with your team. Your PG should get some, and it is better if they do, but if they are focusing on it then it is a problem. You guys are highly overrating how much Rondo's rebounds mean to a team. Its the same as LeBron. He gets half his rebounds from his own big men who could have gotten them. It would better serve him to lower his rebound total some(esp in situations I just mentioned) and leak out more on fast breaks.
Are you reading all of these posts in this discussion or are you just picking out ones that are easy for you to attack?

Rebounding is imperative, and it really doesn't matter a whole lot who does the job. If you had the choice you wouldn't want it to be your point guard, but if it is, it is.
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lemme teach you failed homers how to homer and homer well.

When your players skills are questioned by proof and stats, don't reply with nonsense, instead you can say:
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Just trying to have some conversation here. What is it with people attacking others on here? What is wrong with you?

The fact that he averages more rebounds than Rondo does not really mean that much, and I hope you aren't saying that you think he is a better rebounder than Rondo.

I don't think I've said too much on here that is very out of line.
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