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cavs in 4 6 6.90%
cavs in 5 25 28.74%
cavs in 6 25 28.74%
cavs in 7 7 8.05%
celts in 4 2 2.30%
celts in 5 2 2.30%
celts in 6 8 9.20%
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Old 05-04-2010, 04:34 AM   #1001
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lol cavs suck brah, lebron is not MVP material and he'll never win a ring. Kobe gonna get his 5th.
this imo

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Old 05-04-2010, 04:37 AM   #1002
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cavs win game 3, celtics win game 4, cavs win game 5, cavs win game 6
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Victor, why the sudden change in avatars?
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Old 05-04-2010, 04:47 AM   #1004
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so i obv soured on the cavs after the jamison trade. didnt think he was all that helpful and hated the yankee move of attempting to buy a ship and hated shipping the most loyal cav of all time.

got worse from there, hated that they completely dissed their fans by resting players for 7 games thereby ruining the season total bet. sorry but this relationship should not be a one way street.

well, lebrons press conference today put me over the edge. his play too but i thought he would say the right things and i would take him back like the battered gf (that cleveland fans are.) but no. he was aloof, nonchalant, laid back. he is not emotionally invested in this series. he is already in nyc in his mind. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNm39BzFP2I

he is already counting his millions, thinking about how close he is to a billion. counting the endorsements, under the table payments from stern and dolan, counting the alleged cable channel he will get in nyc.

well, since lebron obv quit on this team (not the first time.) i am too (actually the first time, ya i rooted for tyrone hill.) gonna go with a real winner who only cares about getting the job done no matter what it takes (ask faber, and proly artest.)
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so i obv soured on the cavs after the jamison trade. didnt think he was all that helpful and hated the yankee move of attempting to buy a ship and hated shipping the most loyal cav of all time.

got worse from there, hated that they completely dissed their fans by resting players for 7 games thereby ruining the season total bet. sorry but this relationship should not be a one way street.

well, lebrons press conference today put me over the edge. his play too but i thought he would say the right things and i would take him back like the battered gf (that cleveland fans are.) but no. he was aloof, nonchalant, laid back. he is not emotionally invested in this series. he is already in nyc in his mind. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNm39BzFP2I

he is already counting his millions, thinking about how close he is to a billion. counting the endorsements, under the table payments from stern and dolan, counting the alleged cable channel he will get in nyc.

well, since lebron obv quit on this team (not the first time.) i am too (actually the first time, ya i rooted for tyrone hill.) gonna go with a real winner who only cares about getting the job done no matter what it takes (ask faber, and proly artest.)

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so i obv soured on the cavs after the jamison trade. didnt think he was all that helpful and hated the yankee move of attempting to buy a ship and hated shipping the most loyal cav of all time.

got worse from there, hated that they completely dissed their fans by resting players for 7 games thereby ruining the season total bet. sorry but this relationship should not be a one way street.

well, lebrons press conference today put me over the edge. his play too but i thought he would say the right things and i would take him back like the battered gf (that cleveland fans are.) but no. he was aloof, nonchalant, laid back. he is not emotionally invested in this series. he is already in nyc in his mind. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNm39BzFP2I

he is already counting his millions, thinking about how close he is to a billion. counting the endorsements, under the table payments from stern and dolan, counting the alleged cable channel he will get in nyc.

well, since lebron obv quit on this team (not the first time.) i am too (actually the first time, ya i rooted for tyrone hill.) gonna go with a real winner who only cares about getting the job done no matter what it takes (ask faber, and proly artest.)
You speaks da truth Vic

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Old 05-04-2010, 05:27 AM   #1008
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so i been lurking on this cavs board for awhile. i usually read it around the trade deadline the last few years but i been payin attention this playoffs. i dont post bc i would ldo be banned instantly. still, in general, the board is pretty good and not ******ed. proly too hardline.

anyway, there is a guy who is apparently an insider of sorts. not really sure who he is or what his role is but apparently hes vouched. here are some of his posts the last couple days.

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I predict that Danny Green will be one of our top rotation players in two years. Danny Green will have a long and successful career with the Cavs.

Anthiny Parker has become so non-aggressive and lacking in assertiveness that he's giving us about as close to nothing at the SG spot that a player can possibly give. How he's keeping minutes has me completely mystified.

JJ is ascending rapidly, and this offseason he will make another huge step forward. The JJ Hickson that opens the season next year will be a player that could be one of, if not THE most improved players in the league next season.
seems pretty obv lebron is gone from these statments. fwiw, that was from 4/2

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Lebron isn't motivated to play defense when he's not guarding the other team's #1 option. Against the Cahrlie Bell's of the league he is a terrible defender. When he goes against the Paul Pierce's or other top offensive layers he becomes motivated.

When motivated, Lebron maybe the best one on one defender in the league. But he can go from that extreme to possibly the worst defender on the court at any given moment, when his heart isn't into it.
pretty sure marcus thornton proved this a few months ago.

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Anthony Parker is absolutely loved by Mike Brown, but I've never seen a less aggressive or assertive shooting guard in my life at this level. He defers way too much. His teammates and coaches need to push him to begin to carry some share of the offensive burden. He's not been guarded or attended to all season, and it would make things much easier if he'd at least show teams once in a while that he's a threat of some kind to make them have to at least take some level of notice in him while he's out there.

He has no ego at all. I can see where Ferry wanted to find a SG that didn't need or require a certain amount of touches or shots to be satisfied and happy ...but he's gone to the extreme and I've been waiting for the game where he never attempts one shot, while continuing to play spotty , at best, defense.

Especially when we play team's that don't have length in the backcourt ...I'd much rarther have Boobie in the games than Parker. Team's around the league have always had to account for Boobie ... Parker on the court makes it tougher for Lebron and the others because he's basically ignored and never makes defenses pay because he rarely looks to shoot and take any advantage of not being accounted for by the opposition.
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The biggest weakness of this team is Mike Brpown's inability to understand what to do with the personnel at his disposal. Even some of his top assistants are baffled by some of his player rotations, not to mention some players.
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You're talking about me, so I'll clear up some misconceptions on your part.

First, no issues with Mike Brown's coaching were brought up in this thread.

I'm not on Mke Brown's staff, and not employed by the Cavaliers.

Nothing I say here, isn't known to be my opinion to the party in question, and we have talked openly about our differences for as long as he's been here.

And lastly, I've always been very open about what I percieve to be Mike Brown's strengths and weaknesses ...and every member of the team's for that matter.

I've never just posted "homer" content here, if that's what I did I'd be at CavsFanatic just trumpeting the company line. I try and give my honest opinions of what is happening and going on, and although most is great, some things do need looked into and changed at times ...

Goes on all the time internally, as it has between game 3 and 4 ...where all parties got togehter and decided to make some changes to the rotation that seemed to work positively.

But although this particular thread isn't the one that upset you ...it was the thread where I stated that one of the biggest weaknesses that concerns me on our team is Mike Brown's rotations.

In my opinion, when we begin to play teams closer to our talent level in the playoffs like Boston, Orlando, and Los Angeles ...my biggest fear is that we will lose a key game possibly by not having the best rotations in place.

Just being honest. I think this team is the best in the league and should take it all, but the issue that worries me most is that due to injuries we weren't able to get all our players together, and successfully analyzed to see what pairings work the best together.

Not knowing this, and not having alot of games together could make it very hard for us to be playing at our peak abilities as a team in these big series to come.

Mike Brown is going to have to think fast and on his feet during these games and we will be leaning on him as a team, to have the correct answers within games, as far as matchups go.

I've always felt that makng these kind of adjustments and rotation changes within games is still one of Mike Brown's biggest weaknesses. He knows I feel this way. Hell, he even admits that it's one of his personal weaknesses.

That's what is so good about Mike Brown, and one of his greratest strengths. He does have his ego in check. He does have the ability to listen to and absorb criticisms and critiques. Analyze and evaluate and decide to make a change or not make a change to his previous thought pattern.

Happened between game 3 and game 4 actually. He listened to thoughts of mine, other coaches, and players and adjusted his rotations accordingly. To me, that's really a sign of a strong coach and organization. That you don't have a dictator at the top that makes his decisions, and nobody can challange that thought process. That you do have open discussion and critiques and not just a bunch of yes men walking around afraid to voice thier opinions or to upset anyone by doing so.

Mike Brown and I are two guys that come from diametricly opposite coaching trees, that's why we'll never be on a staff together. Doesn't mean I don't think he's a high quality head coach. I do. As with anyone, they have their strengths and their weaknesses. He has his.

But his strengths far far outweigh his weaknesses. In time he will be one of the very best head coaches the game has ever seen. But we often forget because he's been here so long, that he's still one of the youngest head coaches in the league, and one of the least experienced. Starting this season he was just 39.

He's come a long way in a short period of time, but, he still is growing into his job and is far from a finished product. But, he's gotten as far and learned as fast as he has because he IS open to hearing criticisms ...he does allow his assistants to voice their opinions and this coaching staff is always in a mode of evaluating and making changes and moves that they feel are best.

But again, managing games within a game is still the part of head coaching that he's got a ways to go in his devlopment. My biggest fear truly is whether this fact might cost us at some point in the biggest series we are going to be facing.

I hope he can get locked in quickly on what rotations work best together by the time we go up against these tougher teams. I liked alot of the changes they implemented today both offensively and defensively. Plus, getting JJ's athleticism back in the rotation was very important, in my opinion.

AV is struggling with some nagging injuries , also. I hope he gets improved quickly because we'll need him in the coming series.

I'm not coming on here and sniping Mike Brown. No opinion I state here, is unknown to him. We know each other well ..and he knows where I'm coming from.
i dont pay attention enough to know who this guy is, but hes not payed by the cavs but apparently is always in the locker room and talks to mb.

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Lebron, to me, has turned a corner, in terms of leaderdship just in the past few weeks. His demeanor, and the ways in which he is using his influence and power throughout the organization is showing some very Jordan-esque qulaities, that I was beginning to wonder would ever become a part of the fabric of Lebron James.

Michael Jordan had a way of demanding excllence, and forcing accountability onto his teammates, and even coaches. In his own demanding and forceful ways, he would always hold up his share and far more, but ...but, his teammates had better damn well be prepared and ready to holsd up their end or he would either destroy them, or run them out of town and off the team.

Lebron has needed to exert a little less buddy, friend, and jokester ...and extract a little more leaderership, and some forceful demonstration to his teammates to hold up their end, and not become overly reliant on him as well.

As the playoffs approached, Lebron has not been the guy that we've seen since he's been here. He;s a guy that is more focused, and demending of himself and those around him than I've ever seen before. Something that I see as a very strong positiver moving forward. Something, quite frankly, I've been waiting and hoping would emerge at some point.

Because it's that aspect that , in my opinion, that separated Michael Jordan from every other player that's played the game. I honestly believe that wining and losing meant more to MJ than any player I've ever come in contact with. His abiltiy to will the most possible from himself and those around him made him, and the Bulls, what they were.

I'm hoping this continues to evolve in Lebron. Because it's what WOULD ultimately get him to the level that only Jordan has gotten to in the game.
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JJ Hickson SHOULD be a key rotational playr in this series. You want to attack Boston relentlessly with athleticism at every opportunity. I'm hoping to see Mike Brown and the staff to have this covered at the onset.
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Had the chance to have a long talk with Charles (sic barkley) over dinner a week or so back, and he really believes that the Jamison pickup was the perfect piece for us, and feels that that singular move tilted things in our favor. But not by much.

He thinks the top two teams in the league are clearly, Cleveland and Orlando. The championship will ultiately come down to who wins the Eastern Conference Championship.

I happen to feel the exact same way.

Both he and I see thngs similarly, and quite frankly, the way both teams are playing the ultimate victor could be either/or ... I truly can't say that I feel we are better or they are ...it's basically going to come down to how the games are officiated, and how well the coaches counter each other throughout the seven game series.

It will be an absolute war between these two teams. How we ultimately perform against Vince Carter will be the most key factor. I pretty much know how things will shake out with Shaq and Howard ...I know they will hold a key advantage in regulating tempo, like all teams do against us.

But, MB is going to have to be at the top of his game in this series. He's had twelve months to focus in on how he plans to attack this team, and we now have answers to all matchup issues. Somehting we lacked last year. It's how effectively we utilize the talent that we have that will ultimately decide this battle.

It will be a tough, bloody battle ...without question.
nice barg there. proly got lit up and went to the titty bar.

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These are the topics I'd love to elaborate on, but at this point in time simply can't because I know how we're planning to adjust and neutralize many of the successful elements that Boston utilized in Game One.

For competitive purposes I of course have to be muted. But, I can say one of the reasons that Mike Brown is a far better playoff series head coach is that, although his weaknesses are in-game adjustments ....when he has time to lock in on team and player tendencies between games in a series, he's very adept at formulating multiple different looks, and combinations that can effectively be used.

As the series progresses we will become gradually more proficient in how we handle Rondo. His speed won't be effectively negated, of course, but contolled.

Come the 4th qtr, we alweays go with the combinations that work best defensively because we then utilize Lebron to his maximum proficiency defensively at that point. Up until that point, we do whatever we can to preserve his energy level, and foul situation so that we have him 100% come the 4th.
oooh, cryptic.

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Nobody connected with the franchise should be chilling out, if the fans can, fine. But, like I said in the Chicago series ...intensity and desire to play the game hard come playoff time should NEVER be an issue.

Given that ..we've got issues with key players being hurt, and other key players not playing up to their capabilities. Andy and Lebron are injury issues. Nobody truly knows how much Lebron is hurting. Mike Brown hasn't seen anything to make him feel he's hurt, but just about everyone else with the team sees a guy playing tentative. Andy's been playing hurt for awhile, and his back tightened up bad tonight.

When we go to Boston, we can't be wasting large chunks of the game not going after Boston the way they are vulnerable. You have to attack them with speed and athleticism, and when you go directly the opposite direction with personnel you play into their hands.

Very disheartening that we played so poorly tonight. Maybe one of the worst games of the season, actually.

My hope is that it is a wakeup call to players and coaches.

Seeing Mo just lazily run behind picks, and not put forth playoff energy defensively needs to be called out. Not acceptable. But so much was unacceptable this game that it would take the rest of the night to mention everything.
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Not sure what was said to the press corp, but it couldn't be anything like what the team heard after the game or he'd likely be taken away in cuffs.

Never saw Mike Brown rip up a room like that, but needed. Game three will be interesting.
cool story bra

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Andy's back isn't good. I'm sure everyone has seen AV not playing like AV of late. It's been an issue, and I have kind of alluded to him not being right physically. But, we have a break between games to try and get it playable. To say it's worrisome would be an understatement.

He's vitally important to this team.
ya hes been whinin about varejao for awhile now. good thing lebrick doesnt have a back issue bc theres no way to show that during fts.
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Old 05-04-2010, 05:28 AM   #1009
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Victor, why the sudden change in avatars?
He's welching on a bet.
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Old 05-04-2010, 05:29 AM   #1010
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sue me?

i got more wim than to have a bitchface avatar

and gotta make up for it with a real player now
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Old 05-04-2010, 05:35 AM   #1011
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sue me?

i got more wim than to have a bitchface avatar

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I can't believe you're welching, seriously. What a fgt. I'm going to bed; change the avatar back.
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Old 05-04-2010, 05:55 AM   #1013
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Clear welsch but maybe better since Dwight is awesome. Still, it's Bobbo's choice ldo. At least make him go with the Kobe in fedora pic.
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if the elbow hurts why would he pretend it doesn't? calling it contrived is a homer defense mechanism to a potentially diluted victory if not outright hate hate hate

I don't hate Lebron and don't believe, other than an early season picture post of a dour Lebron, I have ever espoused negativity toward him.

I'm not calling the injury contrived.

I am of the mind that Lebron understands how to spin doctor responses while using the media to benefit his own end, and his no excuse response last night strikes me as a subtle talking point moment.

I want Boston to win.

I don't care if a series victory is diluted.

I continue to expect Cleveland to win the series.

I do hate the Lakers.

I don't see how I can be defined as a hater - outside of possible Laker related topics.
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If you're not a Laker-hater you can geeeeeeeeeeet out.
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Is this a joke post from tar? I can't really tell honestly. WHY would he pretend it doesn't hurt if it actually hurts!? So the media, when he crushes, can write about how he plays through injury so well and how he's such a beast b/c he got 30/10/10 even with a broken elbow and ****.

I mean yo'ure joking surely, I know you know that's why he's pretending it doesn't hurt. Just like Kobe. B/c then when they crush, they can be like ya, it doesn't hurt -- but then everybody reads all the injury reports and sees all the grimaces on TV and we're all like ZOMG U PLAY THROUGH INJURIES WELL.

Seriously, use your intelligence someday :|

Also, cavs shoot 38 ft's, and celtics shoot 18, and cavs lose by 20......at home.

you're trying too hard

edit: he's not pretending it doesn't hurt. ducy?

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I don't hate Lebron and don't believe, other than an early season picture post of a dour Lebron, I have ever espoused negativity toward him.

I'm not calling the injury contrived.

I am of the mind that Lebron understands how to spin doctor responses while using the media to benefit his own end, and his no excuse response last night strikes me as a subtle talking point moment.

I want Boston to win.

I don't care if a series victory is diluted.

I continue to expect Cleveland to win the series.

I do hate the Lakers.

I don't see how I can be defined as a hater - outside of possible Laker related topics.
you specifically said his response came off as contrived, so what exactly should he say when asked about the elbow?
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