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cavs in 4 6 6.90%
cavs in 5 25 28.74%
cavs in 6 25 28.74%
cavs in 7 7 8.05%
celts in 4 2 2.30%
celts in 5 2 2.30%
celts in 6 8 9.20%
celts in 7 12 13.79%
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Old 05-14-2010, 09:07 AM   #3276
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still cant help but think something else is going on. just never seen lebron play, and act like this.
maybe, but i think this is who he is.

regular season teams dont really play defense. he can basically act like a linebacker and take it to the rim.

playoffs not so much.

intense D.

oh that's right, he cant shoot a jumpshot.

he has ZERO low post game. no moves and basically has to turn and face the defender and attempt to take him off the dribble.

oh and did i mention he cant take that quick jap step, 2 dribbles and raise up for a 15 footer?

blah blah blah.


this is who lebron is.

a guy who looked lost. he honestly looked scared.

so scared to the point he was unable to even dribble the ball half the game and spent as much time throwing the ball to players in a different color jersey than his own teammates.

cool WIM and slapping high fives with celtics fans. seems really upset about losing....
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Old 05-14-2010, 09:08 AM   #3277
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people being way too assertive with predictions. "the past 3 years we have owned the magic when our team has been healthy", this is not the same Magic of last year, let alone 3 years ago. And maybe VC will superstar with Ray Allen trying to stop him, who knows? I honestly wouldn't be surprised by any result.
vc is not that much better than hedo and ray is a solid defender, and if it was the same magic team of last year or 2 years ago the celtics would be pretty good sized favorites, i already factored that in

ray > vc overall
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Old 05-14-2010, 09:12 AM   #3278
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vc is not that much better than hedo and ray is a solid defender

ray > vc overall
that's a very broad use of "solid defender", and I don't agree with the second part even though I don't really see the relevance in this discussion
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Old 05-14-2010, 09:14 AM   #3279
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no its not, ray is an average/slightly above average defender especially since he never has to carry the offensive load on this team so he can use a lot of his energy on defense

and lol @ ray not being better than vc, it's not even really that close
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Old 05-14-2010, 09:15 AM   #3280
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no its not, ray is an average/slightly above average defender especially since he never has to carry the offensive load on this team so he can use a lot of his energy on defense

and lol @ ray not being better than vc, it's not even really that close
you really think the magic trade VC for ray allen straight up?
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Old 05-14-2010, 09:16 AM   #3281
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you really think the magic trade VC for ray allen straight up?
if they wouldn't they are a pretty dumb franchise
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Old 05-14-2010, 09:17 AM   #3282
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the biggest thing is this year they have a healthy jameer instead of alston who played well in the series last year but is pretty medicore. VC in replace of Hedo is pretty much a non-factor to me. the biggest thing is Orlando's bench is a ton better than the Boston bench. If they contribute like they have the last 30 games, Boston could have a really tough series. Boston can't match Orlando's bench production at all and should play a big factor in the series. Boston should have a slight edge to a little more than slight advantage in the starting lineup but it'll be interesting.

I think the biggest thing was LBj was arguably the best player on the court this last series, while Boston possibly had the next 5 best players...this series dwight might be the best and Rondo the second but I think the talent differential in the starting lineups should be smaller.
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Old 05-14-2010, 09:19 AM   #3283
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this needs to be seen by all who didnt critically watch game 5.

i did, seeing as i lost about 7k betting on the Cavs.

if anyone cares to look back in this thread, it was obvious to me Lebron was totally clueless as to what he was doing on the floor. almost as though he were drunk or on some mind altering drugs.

i have never seen a player as good as him, play like this in the most important game of the season. in fact, i have never seen a top player like him play any single game like this ever before.

everyone has bad games. everyone occasionally has a poor shooting night, or just plays all around crappy.

this was not the case with lebron.

he was simply mentally absent.

he is normally hte focal point of the offense. he spent the majority of the game wandering around in the corners of the court, or walking around and hoping he didnt have to touch the ball. when he actually did touch it, he forgot how to dribble and he frequently bounced it off his feet or directly into the defender.

midway through the first quarter of game 5 I made a post in this thread asking if Lebron had bet $100M on the celtics.

this article and small clips describes why.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/pos...o-lebron-james
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Old 05-14-2010, 09:26 AM   #3284
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and a comment about all the talk about how kobe previously was a no show against the suns in game 7.

totally different situation.

quite clear kobe INTENTIONALLY quit. it was more a FU to his teammates. that team was trash.

i am not saying kobe is so fantastic cause he quite on his team. quite disgusting really.

the point is, nobody was questioning kobe's overall ability or skillset. that was an intentional decision to shut it down.

lebron just flat out sucked. he looked like a scared child and just wasnt sure what to do on the court.

also, that team kobe had was terrible and didnt have a realistic chance of winning anything that year.

this year the cavs were the favs to win the title.
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Old 05-14-2010, 09:28 AM   #3285
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put kobe on the current Cavs squad and LBJ on the current Lakers squad, do you think the results are any different? Kobe WIMS the Cavs squad? LBJ with Artest, Gasol and Bynum would be quite disgusting.
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Old 05-14-2010, 09:29 AM   #3286
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+2

yea we are only 1-3 vs them this season but 2 of those games were with kg coming right back from injury

but the past 3 years we have owned the magic when our team has been healthy, betting the celtics at +250 or w/e the line is def +ev (real line should be around even)

Two of Boston's losses included the type of second half meltdowns that were frequent during the regular season. Boston's shorter rotation seems to have decreased the probability that these types of lapses have significantly decreased since the post season started. Boston is now playing their best basketball after half-time.
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Old 05-14-2010, 09:29 AM   #3287
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the biggest thing is this year they have a healthy jameer instead of alston who played well in the series last year but is pretty medicore. VC in replace of Hedo is pretty much a non-factor to me. the biggest thing is Orlando's bench is a ton better than the Boston bench. If they contribute like they have the last 30 games, Boston could have a really tough series. Boston can't match Orlando's bench production at all and should play a big factor in the series. Boston should have a slight edge to a little more than slight advantage in the starting lineup but it'll be interesting.

I think the biggest thing was LBj was arguably the best player on the court this last series, while Boston possibly had the next 5 best players...this series dwight might be the best and Rondo the second but I think the talent differential in the starting lineups should be smaller.
when healthy there is no dought in my mind the Celtics have the best starting 5 in the league, now theirs a whole diff story when it comes to the bench. Unfortunately i think the bench may cost them for a championship
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Old 05-14-2010, 09:30 AM   #3288
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put kobe on the current Cavs squad and LBJ on the current Lakers squad, do you think the results are any different? Kobe WIMS the Cavs squad? LBJ with Artest, Gasol and Bynum would be quite disgusting.
i understand this. lakers have the most talent in the league.

lebron on the lakers is def an automatic championship.

kobe on the cavs and they lose to the celtics also.

that is not the point of my posts.
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Old 05-14-2010, 09:31 AM   #3289
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also, that team kobe had was terrible and didnt have a realistic chance of winning anything that year.

this year the cavs were the favs to win the title.
put Kobe on this team and they don't have a chance to win the title either
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Old 05-14-2010, 09:37 AM   #3290
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put Kobe on this team and they don't have a chance to win the title either
see above.
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Old 05-14-2010, 09:41 AM   #3291
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looks like cavs should have given up hickson for amare last year. amare has gone into beast mode and avoided shaq.
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Old 05-14-2010, 09:55 AM   #3292
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looks like cavs should have given up hickson for amare last year. amare has gone into beast mode and avoided shaq.
qft.

imo amare would have made a massive difference on this team.

a legit offensive option and he can create in the low post all on his own. can shoot the mid range jumper.

doesnt clog the lane and would allow the cavs to run.

perfect target for lebron's lobs and other passes.

a true player that lebron could give the ball to and just let him go to work.
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Old 05-14-2010, 09:57 AM   #3293
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i love how ppl assume that such an offer was even close to occuring.
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Old 05-14-2010, 10:10 AM   #3294
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i love how ppl assume that such an offer was even close to occuring.
i have no clue if it was close, i didnt follow it closely. it was a hypothetical.

but i do remember hearing for a few months that the suns were seriously considering moving amare.

cle was def the place i heard the most.
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Old 05-14-2010, 10:23 AM   #3295
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i have no clue if it was close, i didnt follow it closely. it was a hypothetical.

but i do remember hearing for a few months that the suns were seriously considering moving amare.

cle was def the place i heard the most.
obv you dont hang out with cribbs and bronbron
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Old 05-14-2010, 10:38 AM   #3296
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lol @ Josh Cribbs knowledge on LBJ.

Outside of LeBrons family I'm pretty sure Chris Broussard will be one of the first to know whats going to happen. Look for him to break the news in 45+ days
what is lol? josh cribbs has spent time w/ lebron. its reasonable to assume he knows what he's talking about. i'm not saying cribbs is going to "break the story" he's not a reporter ;-)
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Old 05-14-2010, 10:47 AM   #3297
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Well that series sucked. Can't wait to not watch the Lakers romp the Magic again.
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Old 05-14-2010, 10:57 AM   #3298
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So where does the Queen go next? Chi? NY? NJ? LAC? Mia? Or does he stay put?
if he leaves cle that'll be like soul crushing a city. so sick.
CHI so he can get on his Jordan fantasies. (sorry just dreaming)
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Old 05-14-2010, 12:16 PM   #3299
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worst thing for cavs fans is lebron hooking up with boozer for the inevitable title run.
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Old 05-14-2010, 12:27 PM   #3300
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this needs to be seen by all who didnt critically watch game 5.

i did, seeing as i lost about 7k betting on the Cavs.

if anyone cares to look back in this thread, it was obvious to me Lebron was totally clueless as to what he was doing on the floor. almost as though he were drunk or on some mind altering drugs.

i have never seen a player as good as him, play like this in the most important game of the season. in fact, i have never seen a top player like him play any single game like this ever before.

everyone has bad games. everyone occasionally has a poor shooting night, or just plays all around crappy.

this was not the case with lebron.

he was simply mentally absent.

he is normally hte focal point of the offense. he spent the majority of the game wandering around in the corners of the court, or walking around and hoping he didnt have to touch the ball. when he actually did touch it, he forgot how to dribble and he frequently bounced it off his feet or directly into the defender.

midway through the first quarter of game 5 I made a post in this thread asking if Lebron had bet $100M on the celtics.

this article and small clips describes why.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/pos...o-lebron-james
i hate to play this card, but you realize this is exactly how Kobe looked for the better part of the '08 Finals, right? Maybe, just maybe, the Celtics game planned excellently, that even a potential GOAT isn't infallible, especially when his teammates are all frontrunners who can't step up when labron is having an off night.
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