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Lonzo will be the American Ricky Rubio.

Sell some jerseys at least.

*cleveland sports fan thinking*

but those seasons are already over.

and some of my favorite memories of the cavs are from some of the worst teams you can imagine...sometimes being a fan means, "just gimme some hope. idc when, just gimme a little."


lol y'all should wrassle

Is there more to this than the fact he was on a bad team for his one yr in college? I just don't see what points to this being the case or even a worry really. Is it because he doesn't show many signs of a great playmaker? I'm wondering.

The one thing about this trade I don't understand is why the 2018 Lakers' pick is 6+ protected.

Shouldn't the Celtics at least be able to negotiate an option to decline the 2018 pick and choose the 2019 Sacramento pick?

Or, is that outside the NBA's trading rules?

What numbers are you talking about?

Hes first in multiple cats on the charts. He is first in every passing category on the the playmaking chart. On the finishing chart he has the highest finishing %, pts 40, and 2nd high fta At. Shooting comparison he has the highest 3pt% of all of them but the 2nd low ft % which is a concern. The freshmen production vs lead guard stats he also has a really good showing. I see on the vs Russell and Harden only stats he shows up lower on iso and 6% lower on transition.

Nobody is doubting his statistical numbers in anyway. Its the fact alot of them came in blowout games that people are concerned about. Not sure what numbers your referring to telling a diff story being that peoples doubts with him havent been number related at all.

The Rubio comp makes sense in that both are limited as scorers but elite otherwise.

The key difference is that Lonzo struggles to create shots but is an elite shotmaker. Rubio can't even make a layup so it doesn't matter whether he can create-- he is doomed to brick.

If Lonzo is a Rubio that shoots great %'s instead of horrible ones, that's an all-star player.

Lonzo is going to be a hall of famer. All the issues people bring up against him are legit. But he's just gonna find a way.

Celts get Lakers pick if 2 thru 5 in 2018, if not the get unprotected Sacramento pick in 2019.

I think he understands the facts you laid out. He's just wondering why they would do something like that.

Seems like Boston wants to get a top 5 pick in either of the next 2 drafts and if the Lakers either get good or don't get lucky, they want to roll the dice in 2019. Obviously they could get f'ed if the Kings some how get good in 2 seasons which seems improbable. There is a chance that the Lakers could get good quick with Ball.

ya his weaknesses are real but he's great in a way that no prospect has ever been great. he's gonna be a stud one way or another

damn y'all really hate josh jackson huh.

i see absolutely nothing wrong with having 3-4 excellent wings that can cover any of 2-4 defensively, defend the rim a bit, and have some level of shooting and playmaking ability.

also see nothing wrong with doubling down on jaylen brown + jackson / isaacson, the highest likelihood outcome on any of those players is a good role player, top 30-60 player but nothing special.

What if your goal is to build a wing rotation as deep as what the Warriors have now?

The Celtics once had Jeff Green on their roster. Maybe, upon closer examination, they thought Fultz had Green's lack of desire mixed with obvious talent.

It is outside trading rules, as far as I can tell.

Ball is a 6'6" elite passer, rebounder, bb IQ and shoots 40+ from three...

We are headed to the unique Lebron/Durrant/dirk ... No real comparison category/freak category with this one... Remind you, he is only 19.

https://www.reddit.com/r/lakers/comm...ge_shot_chart/


I don't know what to say, greatest bball IQ in college player ever?

I like Jackson, i just like Fultz and Ball better.

Outside of shooting my other knack on Jackson is hes older then the other top prospects coming in at age 20.4 compared to Ball 19.6 and Fultz at 19.1 years old. An extra year of basketball is a big deal esp when your comparing him to a guy like Fultz who didnt even get to varsity ball till his junior year. Fultz is aged as a guy whos going to be a incoming college freshman.

As awesome as that is, NBA coaches and systems and what the defense gives you will dictate shot chart... it's amazing that he knows that already, but you think if the Rockets draft someone they're going to become fadeaway 18 footer shooters? These kids are coached terribly in college.

So yea, it's awesome, but in like 3 years that should be mostly irrelevant

Tbh now that I think about it I'd rather Fultz get coached up, still have the threat of pulling up and have the defense account for it, vs having Ball who just can't get the shot off at all... that has to be a way better base to efficient offense. Pretty sure that even statheads would say the threat of it is important

Fultz is required to take a high volume of mid-range shots, bc that's part of attacking off the dribble and not getting all the way to rim. And his coach will likely be OK with him doing so bc he is good at making them.

Ball is something else entirely. He intuitively understands the math of basketball and is able to make lightning fast +EV decisions, which is the main reason why his passing is so overpowered. And bc he can do so much damage passing from perimeter + makes 3's, he can afford to be selective about the occasions on which he attacks the rim, thus the insane 73.2% 2P% (another indicator of elite IQ)

It's not something you can coach-- not like these are NBA2K players the coach is controlling. Sure tell Fultz to take more 3's less 2's and his efficiency upticks a bit, but he will never sniff Lonzo's knack for +EV decision making on the fly.

ball's basketball-specific athleticism is way way underrated

he's obviously mentally elite too, of course

isaac is ainge's target ainec

this idea that ball is some genius who really deeply understands bball is wrongly being used to handwave away his weaknesses imo

there's this idea that he'll figure it out cos of sky high bbiq, no evidence for that imo. he's obv got great instincts, but there's an element of coincidence to every positive aspect of a player's output. i don't think there's really any proof that he's unusually adaptable or whatever

imo it's more accurate to say that his game is well-calibrated to how basketball should be played, not that lonzo's genius will always result in greatness no matter the context. the key thing here is that i think it's more likely that lonzo's current weaknesses are the same ones that end up dragging down his value as an nba player, and we should expect that they will persist, and new ones may manifest in the nba


it reminds me a bit of the fawning praise of rondo's bbiq during his celtics years. for a while it was seemingly true, he had a really unique skillset that plugged all the right gaps for those celtic teams. surely he knew bball at a deep and intimate level in order to buttress his team in all those weird and specific areas of weakness? but with the benefit of hindsight, it turns out he's just as capable of being a worthless scrub as anyone else, and it's not just the injuries or the fact that he's a dickhead

basically i'm just not that swayed by 'he'll figure it out' arguments - i still think he's the #2 prospect, but the weaknesses and strengths are concrete in the same way that any other prospect's are. no bbiq mysticism required

i don't really see the comparison but defense doesn't age as well as offense and injuries hastened rondo's decline

it's not very complicated

The Rondo/Rubio stuff is bad becauae Lonzo is not a bad shooter.

The complaints about his form and release make you guys look like this:



Wtf does his form matter? His shots go in.