wanting to move to a slower pace and a need for a higher floor offensive creator, i guess.

i'd be a little paranoid running a fun and gun lonzo lakeshow when two of my dudes are 7 footers with foot problems.

Gotta admit i'm having trouble getting over Fultz's college team being 9-22

There are some mitigating factors.

--He missed 6 games and they were 0-6 in those games as well as 1-5 ATS
--Lorenzo Romar is the WOAT coach
--That roster was complete trash outside of Fultz
--He did not turn 19 until after the season

That said it's a point that I don't think can be completely ignored. They weren't THAT much worse without him (ran bad on 3's in most of the games he missed) and it's easily Romar's worst team in 15 years with his only top 5 pick ever.

He could just be a Kyrie super talented scorer who isn't well rounded enough to make a big positive impact, and I imagine this is part of the reason why the Celtics were OK trading #1

It looks like Ainge is trying to run it twice to bink on a Top 5 pick. Would you prefer this deal or the Kings pick and a 2021 Philly pick if you were the Celtics?

At this point, I think it's clear that Boston is looking for personnel who they think are good fits for Brad's defensive system, but they might make an exception for Thomas and resign him if he gives them a discount. I'm going to be skeptical about rumors of them drafting, signing, or trading for anyone who is a lazy defender.

The more I think about this draft I think there might be 4-5 guys who end up as top 25 players but none that end up as top 10 guys. Basically everyone has noticeable flaws. I think its fine that Boston traded the pick but I think they should have gotten more; not being able to get #1 next year sucks.

Im also warming up to Ball being really close to Fultz. I really never considered Ball as an equal to Fultz but now I think its pretty close.

Are you upgrading Ball or downgrading Fultz? Why?

Fultz is the much better fit in my eyes. Athletic, long, can play both guard positions, play off ball, is a willing passer, has a high scoring ceiling. It's perfect next to Simmons.

Man I missed the news. So Danny is picking Jackson or is it a smoke screen to get Fox?

Cs end up with either Jackson or Ball and I'm puking.

Here's the complete list of Ainge picks with draft maneuvering mixed in:

http://www.foxsports.com/nba/gallery...en-2007-061617

Trading better than drafting obviously, but there's some pretty good stuff in there, too.

I cut the rest of your post because it just repeats and/or quotes spin.

They say lots of nice things about him, but the numbers they quote seem to tell a different story.

Drafting Jackson will ruin me

If reports weren't saying Philly was taking Fultz, I would almost guess that Ainge does this on the fact that Philly is taking Jackson so he knows one of Fultz/Ball will be on the board...


That said, sounds like Ainge decided he doesn't want or care to get Fultz or Ball. Maybe he will pick Ball if he's on the board at 3 but I doubt he's banking on that.

I'm guessing Ainge takes Jackson - who I think is going to be great honestly. I think the top 6 picks in this class are super awesome - Isaac included in that. Isaac/Tatum are the two I can see falling past 5 and people looking back at what the hell happened that made them slip outside of the top 3.

Fox I'm super high on and have been forever, sounds like he's destined for Kings though, but who knows maybe Suns will surprise us.

Taking Jackson after drafting Brown while also having elite cost control on Jae Crowder makes no sense

Position-less basketball. And honestly if Jaylen continues to grow and Jackson is an instant star, Jae Crowder as your first wing off the bench (who can also play the 4) is so sick.

This


Not too mention their main FA target is the same position

Say they end up with like Hayward, Jaylen, Crowder, and draft Jackson or Tatum...

bye bye Bradley imo.

I'm guessing it's bye bye to one of AB or Smart after next season either way

A little bit of both. I think both will be great PGs but not superstars. I worry about Fultz as being a guy that 'gets his' on bad teams and not being able to be a true elite lead guard on a top team. I think Ball will succeed regardless of situation and is built to play with good players. But I still think Fultz has a higher ceiling.

This is a fair knock. I think at some point you need to gamble on a true #1 option with these picks. Can only play 5 guys at once.

Ball will suck and I'll be super mad if we end up with him.

Don't know much about Tatum maybe Danny goes facemelter on us.

Would be totes fine with Fox.

Tatum could easily be the pick for the Celts. Everyone is assuming Jackson but im not so sure.

Ball has a huge hitch in his shot. He always takes the ball low on his left and brings it up on that side then shoots righty. So he might have trouble getting his shot off in the NBA when opponents overplay his left side. Also, he can't reliably go to his right and shoot, because he has to bring the ball from right-left-right and that's a problem against NBA defenders. NBA teams are worried Ball will be too left handed in that he will have to go to his left or spot up on the left side of the court.

Ball isn't as good an athlete as Fultz so he has trouble penetrating, finishing at the hoop and defending against many quicker guards. Ball is elite passer, Fultz is good. Ball is a better shooter 3pt and FT, but does fixing his hitch mess up his shot?

geoff is too wise to not be lol'ing at Ball. dude's name is Lonzo Bust.

Celtics are going to win multiple rangz in the 20's if they pair Lonzo with Brad.

It's lol if this deal is for Jackson.

Lolnzo

Nah