Sixers are going to be horrible for the next few years. Insane how many top picks they'll get in that time. Really hope they end up always getting shafted by the lottery and miss out on the next Durant/LeBron and just suck for a decade.

yeah if elfrid or exum become the every day starter with good minutes they'd prob be great value

^^^ 76ers should get #1 pick next year just so i can laugh when they take another center.

if karl towns is actually good whoever gets the #1 pick might be required to take him regardless.

So if he never drafts a player who turns out to be good at basketball, it would take you 5,000 years to determine he was bad at drafting?

Large sample size is important for figuring out exactly how good or how bad you are at something...doesn't take that long to figure out if you're really good or really bad tho.

We think the reasoning is good because it's a logic that people here tend to believe in. Even if he/us are using good logic, if he's still coming to the wrong conclusions & can never actually build a basketball team that can win games, it's not that useful.

We can 100% say he's great at trading & tanking & acquiring assets.

He PROBABLY is also good at drafting, but my only real point is we can't be 100% sure of that yet.

The Lions were lampooned for drafting WR's in the 1st round 4 out of 5 years

The 4th one was Calvin Johnson

This would be good fun.

so before the draft wojo reports philly is pursuing the no1.

after the draft, he reports they werent.

obv the 2nd reports is accurate and we should base all of our analysis on that.

i think you're underestimating how bad the east is. i think

MCW
PJack
KJ
Thad
Noel

might struggle not to make the playoffs next year. probably going to have to trade thaddeus and sit someone with an injury just to make sure they keep their pick.

like new york and cleveland almost made the playoffs last year, atl was #8 with a 38-44 record. outside of deron winning comeback player of the year, brooklyn is almost certainly going to be worse next year with their age and salary cap situation.

the east has mia/ind/chi at the top and some interesting teams with potential in tor/was/cha/atl. then you got what, cleveland and brooklyn fighting over which front office has managed through persistent incompetence to succeed in creating a mediocre fringe playoff team?

I would be surprised if Philly won more than like 26 games next year. I'm lower on MCW than most though. They should have drafted Exum. The Embiid pick was such a waste. Excited to see what Nerl brings.

these two sentences back to back made me chuckle

ATL is closer to first than second tier

They were solidly in 3rd before horford went down and have 2 all-stars and a top coach

Horf is healthy so they gotta be slotted top 3-4 until proven otherwise

Why? Nerlens should be completely healed and was the best prospect last year. Nobody has any clue how good he'll be and it should be a fun and interesting story to follow.

That doesn't mean it wasn't a total waste of a pick to take Embiid. They are different players with different situations. I loved the Noel pick and can hate the Embiid pick. There's no hypocrisy there.

sure they're different, but they're similar enough to group together-- nerl has had multiple serious knee injuries pre age 19. embiid has foot fracture + back thing. i guess it's possible you could say you rated nerl as a much better prospect pre injurie(s).

1 year from now someone will be able to write the exact same thing about embiid after he sits out most or all of the year.

how could you possibly know that?

i think what wooderson is saying is that noel is clearly the better prospect due to his massively higher basketball IQ, not being african and all.

If they keep Thad (big IF), sixers could POTENTIALLY compete for a lower tier east playoff spot as soon as next season. And I would be shocked if they aren't in the playoffs within the next three.

Id be shocked if the sixers make the playoffs next season.

"For whatever reason, NBA teams are much quicker to sour on toolsy bigs with questionable skill/feel than toolsy wings with questionable skill/feel (evidence: Harrison Barnes was drafted before Andre Drummond)....it doesn’t make sense to me that Andrew Wiggins can show worrisome skill deficiencies and still get picked #1 overall in the same world where DeAndre Jordan slides to round 2. "

see i see wiggins at 6' 8.75" in shoes, 7' 0" wingspan, 8" 11" standing reach and 44in vert.
barnes is 6'8'' in shoes with a 8'5'5'' reach and a 39.5 inch vertical. so we are talking a foot longer tool here. i mean there are toolsy guys and there are once in a generation freaks.

moreover, anybody judging these 2 athletes seriously should be able to just see with their own eyes that barnes is an explosive dude, but also kind of stiff and mechanical. wiggin on the other hand, lol, man this guy skates to the hoop one dribble 2 steps from outside the 3 point line with ease, he aint blocky he is butter...

and wiggins may have some "worrisome skill deficiencies" but one of those is not, and i know you think his college stats belie this, is not his shot. wiggins shot is smooth as butter. its may not be durrant, but its nice, quick release with range and when he is groovin it all net. and shooting from the perimeter is the main offensive skill of a perimeter player. he's got that big time in my opinion and the opinion of the guys that get paid to watch him work out.

lol'd

whatever point you were making I agree with too

no need to nit me just cause you're sad your idiot team bungled the #1 again.

there are like 1000 reasons to believe the 2nd is more likely to be true and everybody gave me so much crap as if i was out of my mind for even suggesting that i could predict who hinkie wanted at #1. my hypothesis has been validated as much as possible and if the opposite had happened everybody would be lol'ing their ass off at me, so i think i can claim a little bit of credit.

i didn't say harrison barnes is the same thing as wiggins. barnes went like 7th when he should have gone 20something, wiggins went 1st when he shoulda gone 5th. that's the analogy.

ok well 5th is at least higher than capella and katie kuric or nurik or whatever...i got him 2 and in the same tier as one and higher than the smarts and exums and parkers. i did want to emphasize that there is "toolsy" and there is never seen before. wiggins is never seen before. and if you got shooting well thats is a real nice skill not to worry about.

they didnt bungle it. the thing with wiggins, is that he has a massively high floor that he reaches just about always. he is simply a lock to be solid nba player at worst. and a solid player on a winning team at that. hes got great qualities that winning teams thrive on. hes already a lock down defender with elite body control, lateral ability, overall explosiveness, length, and mentality. ya, seems like a hudge bungle.

obv embiid has a higher ceiling, but he is a total 0 very often. when a team already has a solid core of irving and waiters, its important not to come away with a nothing. esp when the alternative is a guy who has nearly as much upside and is a lock to be very solid.

also this

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"Sources now confirm that sources were totally lying before the draft. Sources are totally telling the truth now tho"

you can sign a solid player with the MLE, the point of the #1 pick is to add a possible superstar.

did woj even report that philly was pursuing the #1? i never saw him say anything about a possible deal