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06-27-2014 , 11:54 AM
It's just lol because this is one of the deepest drafts ever and McD was a huge reach at that spot. I'd much rather have Harris/Young with Mcdaniels/Anderson/Capela. If you get Mcdaniels you can then use Butler for trade bait. You have a Rose/Harris/Mcdaniels/Melo/Noah Gibson off the bench lineup. If you are getting ballstopper Carmelo why not just get a free agent who can shoot like Steve Novak lol. Not like Mcdermott will be much better than him anyway.
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06-27-2014 , 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by GeoffRas22
I don't necessarily disagree with the opinions on McErmott as a player, but he is a very good scorer and fits very well with Chicago's roster. Also, if there is a team where his lol D could be hidden it's on a team with Butler/Gibson/Noah and if there's a coach who make his lol D passable it's Thibs. See: Boozer, Carlos
the problem is that mcdermott can't create for himself and the bulls don't have a ton of playmaking to create for him.

also i mean they are just badly overrating fit and underrating the importance of upside. they got mike dunleavy jr for 2/6 last offseason, mcdermott isn't going to be better than him but he cost the #16 + 19 picks which are pretty good assets.
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06-27-2014 , 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by EmpireMaker2
It's just lol because this is one of the deepest drafts ever and McD was a huge reach at that spot. I'd much rather have Harris/Young with Mcdaniels/Anderson/Capela. If you get Mcdaniels you can then use Butler for trade bait. You have a Rose/Harris/Mcdaniels/Melo/Noah Gibson off the bench lineup. If you are getting ballstopper Carmelo why not just get a free agent who can shoot like Steve Novak lol. Not like Mcdermott will be much better than him anyway.
Young seems as one dimensional as McDermott and just as bad defensively while worse offensively.

I can see not liking the McD pick but taking Young over Dougie Fresh seems like a mistake.
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06-27-2014 , 12:01 PM
When those assets are Euro Greg ostertag and new school Haywood workman, then it makes sense. Kyle korver cannot create for himself and can't finish layups with certainty and he seems to be deified around here so it's all good. McDermotts Dirk fadeaway is pretty sick.
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06-27-2014 , 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Exothermic
Well to be fair, as deep as this draft was there wasn't any real all star or greater level talent for twolves at 13 & although they could of traded down and got more assets or pick the best player there, the point is they are an organization where free agents dont want to go & they swung for the fences on a 2-4 year project they think if he reaches his potential could be good/gr8.

Same thing atlanta hawks did, so in some ways i cant fault either team for it. The problem i have with both teams is that neither are known for developing talent & that's why i think its most likely not gonna pan out.

If spurs took zach levine i think everybody would be thinking its a gr8 pick even at #13.
This is the dozenth time someone has said "if the spurs took (insert lolpick here) then ya'll would think it's great!"

Yeah no ****. Great argument bro
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06-27-2014 , 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Trollstoy
Bulls tossed 2 career role players for a guy whose floor is Kyle korver who can dunk and whose ceiling is Dirk. Huge lols.

Toronto drafted a no name with a 1st in the twenties and the bulls took the best pure scorer in the draft, let us all LOL bulls because the nut hugging on masai is too strong
^^^ 2+2 guys are pretty much sheep laughing at the bulls trade but yea no way is mcdermott ceiling dirk. Dirk has that kevin durant height for his position thing going for him, where he can shoot over anybody at his position & basically get a good look + get to the rim and is impossible to defend because of that. Mcdermott is going to be an avg athlete at the 3 but is pretty much imo is nba ready to contribute & immediately helps the bulls with his scoring. Defensively im not even sure hes that much of a liability people are making him out to be, guy is alot more athletic than we all thought & at 6'6 220lbs he will not be a jimmer this year. He's a role player than can get double digit points & space the floor for you, bulls won in this trade considering they were actually not even look to make a pick this year & now they got something of need/value.
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06-27-2014 , 12:05 PM
I don't hate it that much, but I wish SA picked Inglis instead :/
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06-27-2014 , 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Trollstoy
When those assets are Euro Greg ostertag and new school Haywood workman, then it makes sense. Kyle korver cannot create for himself and can't finish layups with certainty and he seems to be deified around here so it's all good. McDermotts Dirk fadeaway is pretty sick.
Korver is great bc he's one of the best shooters ever who is great off the ball (always moving) while also being a good-great rebounder and defender for his position. There are plenty of impressive shooters/scores es, the problem is most have to be hidden on D. Korver doesn't.

I don't really get your Korver hate. He was a fantastic Bull and perfect fit with Rose. It was a huge mistake to get rid of him.
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06-27-2014 , 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Deanglow
This is the dozenth time someone has said "if the spurs took (insert lolpick here) then ya'll would think it's great!"

Yeah no ****. Great argument bro
^^^ What's wrong with such a statement though?, im not saying that anybody they pick will turn out gr8 just cause its the spurs, im more saying that i trust that the spurs would only pick levine if they think they have the development team in place to make him better & if in interviews etc they think that he will reach his potential. If they take a less upside player like kyle anderson i actually assume they evaluated his skill set and thought they can use him effectively in their rotation.

There is no reason for us the public to not trust the spurs to do the right thing either, they always do & they pick prob the best we will ever see. Where as minnesota has developed pretty much nobody & they get every pick wrong so yea tis why my statement on levine.
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06-27-2014 , 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by UncleDynamite
I don't hate it that much, but I wish SA picked Inglis instead :/
I think it's safe to have faith that the Spurs made the right call. I had Inglis and Kyle as fairly close and if the Spurs think Kyle is the guy, then I think Kyle is the guy too because they certainly gave it a deeper level of analysis than I did.
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06-27-2014 , 12:11 PM
Chad Ford's review of BRUNO

"Sports a huge 7-7 wingspan, can shoot it, is athletic" (let's also note that this is the youngest player in the draft) = D grade

so freakish measurables, good athleticism and the ability to shoot on a 18 year old is now a bad thing?
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06-27-2014 , 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by El Rata
Chad Ford's review of BRUNO

"Sports a huge 7-7 wingspan, can shoot it, is athletic" (let's also note that this is the youngest player in the draft) = D grade

so freakish measurables, good athleticism and the ability to shoot on a 18 year old is now a bad thing?
he has to be a slave to his rankings and he's probably butthurt he wasn't onto bruno in round 1

knock the pick all you want but he pretty much slurped the living **** out of lavine for the same exact reasons (toolsy + can shoot) except bruno's tools sound way better than lavine's. honestly i can see bruno being a scrub but i can also see him working out and he doesn't strike me as the worst gamble since his physical package is so insanely rare.
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06-27-2014 , 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Trollstoy
McDermott will be the next Dirk, how is that lol?
Well, he's about six inches too short for that

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06-27-2014 , 12:15 PM
2 years away from being 2 years away, br0
(which i think USAToday summed up as being "6 years away", lol)

why is Dougie any better than Adam Morrison btw?
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06-27-2014 , 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by TheDean1
the problem is that mcdermott can't create for himself...
You've studied this stuff much more than I have, but he is #1 in PPP when shooting off the dribble in the DX100.
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06-27-2014 , 12:18 PM
Been saying all year that the Raps needed a back up wing and we got that at least.

No idea about Bruno. I'm all for it though. Raptors gonna 3-6 seed again next year so why not make a gamble that either pays off or is cheap.

BRUUUUUUNO
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06-27-2014 , 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by TheDean1
he has to be a slave to his rankings and he's probably butthurt he wasn't onto bruno in round 1

knock the pick all you want but he pretty much slurped the living **** out of lavine for the same exact reasons (toolsy + can shoot) except bruno's tools sound way better than lavine's. honestly i can see bruno being a scrub but i can also see him working out and he doesn't strike me as the worst gamble since his physical package is so insanely rare.
yeah i'm also not convinced he'll be any good, but it's the 20th pick in the draft, at this point all the potential stars from the NCAA are gone. I like that they gambled on youth and tools instead of taking a safer stiff. Now it's up to them to mold him into a good player.
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06-27-2014 , 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ludacris
You've studied this stuff much more than I have, but he is #1 in PPP when shooting off the dribble in the DX100.
he' s not totally incapable of creation...he just doesn't project to be a good nba creator and i don't think he shot off the dribble for much volume in ncaa.
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06-27-2014 , 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by 72off
2 years away from being 2 years away, br0
(which i think USAToday summed up as being "6 years away", lol)

why is Dougie any better than Adam Morrison btw?
20lbs bigger, 5-6" more on vert, prob quicker(cant find morrsion athletic testing outside his vert, doug shot better + rebounded better. So yea overall bigger guy, better athlete, better shooter.
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06-27-2014 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Exothermic
20lbs bigger, 5-6" more on vert, prob quicker(cant find morrsion athletic testing outside his vert, doug shot better + rebounded better. So yea overall bigger guy, better athlete, better shooter.
max vert is completely worthless and morrison got more steals and blocks in college. they are like the same size and same athleticism for all intents and purposes. ougie probably doesn't have morrison's historic level of WIL, but they have super similar athletic profiles.
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06-27-2014 , 12:30 PM
I don't hate korver, I just think it's odd that he gets slurped so hard. He certainly has the smoothest off the ball shooter game down since Reggie, but he can't dunk at 6'8", blows layups, and his d is overrated.

I loved Kyle on the bulls but belinelli was better and has a more rounded game, I'd take dunleavy over him too. He's a sick 3 point shooter, no doubt.
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06-27-2014 , 12:30 PM
meh mcdermott isn't too lapsey defensively. he's just physically overmatched.
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06-27-2014 , 12:38 PM
I'm firmly in the Bruno > Levine camp in
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06-27-2014 , 12:38 PM
Mcdermott lane agility etc were pretty solid dean, 20lbs & 7% bf(lol nba numbers, prob more like 12-13% bf which is good) how is 20lbs more size especially for someone as lean as mcdermott not huge?.

Show me adam morrsion athletic testing numbers and be amazed at how different they are, mcdermott is a better athlete than everyone thought my man, you can tell hes naturally not athletic but worked really hard in the gym and maxed out whatever he has.

As for steals and blocks, they both suck, but morrison isn't as good a shooter as dougy, not as good a rebounder, not as good a athlete.

Dean you think mcdermott gonna have the same career as morrison then basically?.

Listen ill take kyle korver, coaches & other players around the league opinions over yours anyday buddy. He will be a solid nba player, prob not more than a rotation guy but a good scorer.

Your making this guy out to be the next steve novak & i think your slightly off base, we will see once the nba season starts though.
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06-27-2014 , 12:39 PM
You Bulls haters are forgetting they also got SF/PF/C Anthony Randolph in the deal. He's oozing with potential.
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