Mother ****er, B.B. King was the guy I was planning to take if I stayed put.

I may have a trade lined up with Assani, though. I'm on my phone, not my computer, so pls be patient if it takes me a few minutes to settle up the details.

King was a great pick, such a sick guitarist.

yeah i'm here right now...if you want to do that trade, i'll do it, but I can't offer any more without talking to my partner first(and hes not online now)

theres one guitarist I like better than King, but I fully expected King to go first. Its more just of a personal taste thing with me....I think I can wait til fairly late and still get this guitarist(probably double pick rounds)

Been listening to BB. Pretty epic stuff.

I'm not talking about great voices. I mean of the Mariah Carey variety. I doubt there is a single person alive who can sing like her and wants to be a singer that doesn't 'make it' although maybe you need to be attractive on top of it. Same goes for Whitney and Celine Dion. I don't mean Beyonce or Gaga. Neither of them are world class singers.

^ Given you have some stage presence obv

BB was one of the guitar legends I alluded to earlier he was one of the 3-4 guys we were thinking of taking. Still some more guitar legends on the board imo.

yeah, we have a deal. What is it, 111/191 for 135/145 (roughly- I can't see the spreadsheet)?

Yeah, still a few guitar legends left. I never really got into BB, or a lot of pure blues for that matter. What blues I do like tends to be slowed down sloppy acoustic stuff, but BB is pretty damn awesome. I think a problem I have with blues is that recordings never do it justice. The real blues legends are just crazy live performers.

Vix,

take Whitney, Mariah, etc, beat them with the ugly stick when they're young, and we never hear from them. I really can't think of a single prominent female recording artist without some major sex appeal, besides Janis Joplin, who everyone was too high to care about.

The same is somewhat true for men (plant, Elvis, Jagger, brown, Gaye, etc all major sex icons), but it's especially true for women.

Well it's hard to really know because all I can do is either improbable personal experience anecdotes or, a little more usefully, point to people who ran 98% above EV and didn't quite "make it", but actually did make it enough to leave a trace (records,youtube, mp3s, w/e). I think houston is a very good singer. Beyonce too. I'm not so keen on the material that Carey or Dion chose or their performances, but I'll grant they have "good" voices. But I'm pretty sure there are thousands of people out there with voices as good or better. And if your choice of material is that bad then the fact you sold a brazillion records doesn't really matter to me.

yah ., this too.

Yeah, hence "maybe you need to be attractive on top of it." As long as you aren't ugly and you have those pipes, along with some idea about how to perform on a stage, I think you make it 100% of the time. Assuming you try to make it obviously. There could be attractive people out there with all time great voices who for some reason never decided to become a pro singer. Although to get that good you need to likely have some pro training so I doubt very much that many of them exist.

136, not 135. Someone can update the spreadsheet to reflect the trade please. Will start on writeup now...

Exactly: ok-good voice, novelty act. You'll remember her name for 10 years, but won't hear a single song from her after 2011 at the latest.

Allison Iraheta is the great ugly hope imo.

Carey and Dion are better singers then Beyonce. I honestly don't know where Beyonce got this rep for having sick voice.

Yeah I'll do it.

Whatever. Sex, drugs and rock n' roll. It's a package.

Pauly Potts?

LOL kk, that is the perfect picture of Boyle too.

The leader of the Khmer Rouge?

Maybe times changed with television. Obv standards of beauty change with time as well, but I don't think people would really have thought of Bessie Smith as pretty. I have another couple of examples of blues/r'n'b, but from the 50s, so I won't mention names, but also top artists of their epoch (in the "race" charts :sigh:, but w/e) and pretty much on the ugly stick side.

No MTV back then.

Yeah - these girls wouldn't have been on terrestrial TV at all probably.

If you're Phil Collins (/ Loop?) then make arty claymation MTV videos ftw.

I dunno if I should take person who makes some sense with my studio or just keep up with my diverse talent with my upcoming pick