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06-09-2009 , 07:14 PM
We would very much like to add a few more owners, so we will be accepting more people until the end of the 1st round. The draft order is already determined, so new additions will just draft last in the 1st round. Don't worry though, its a reverse snake and one superstar isn't as important in NHL as in NBA, so drafting late in the 1st round really isn't all that bad.

Here was the randomly determined order:


1. Gamblor
2. Etats360
3. <3_Tha_Grind
4. rocketpoker828
5. Sarcastic Rat
6. SuperUberBob
7. Assani Fisher/EPiPeN11
8. Golden_Rhino
9. Geddy Lee
10. Zurvan
11. Mikhail's Fortunes
12. Shark Doctor
13. Lurchy Soprano
14. aoFrantic
15. NoPairParker
16. Wrane
17. NozeCandy
18. Triumph36
19. Nootka

We have already discussed and voted on the rules, so for the most part there will not be any exceptions to these rules unless it is a special circumstance:


-Reverse Snake Order

-Rosters consist of 1 goalie, 9 forwards, 4 defensemen

-Players are eligible if they've played at least one NHL game and their first NHL game took place during the 1979-80 season or later

-We are drafting both for now and for the future. Assume that you will be GM of your franchise for the rest of your lifetime.

-You may have the players you select at any age you wish for the first season of play. After that they will age normally.

-24 hour time limit on picks, first offense is a warning(and skipped pick), second offense may result in removal from draft

-Decent writeup for each pick required. Please try to make it at least 200 words and somewhat informative/entertaining. Pictures and links to youtube highlights are encouraged. Also please have a "roster so far" at the end of each writeup.

-Etats360 started this a few months ago, and I resumed the idea recently. We don't have an official commish or anything, so most things will be decided by majority rule. With that said, if we need someone to step up to make a decision, either Etats360 or myself will do so.

-After you draft, please PM the person who is up next and let them know.

-We've gone over a number of other rules already. If you are unsure of them, please ask. However, please do not debate the rules any more. We've already been through that.




And Gamblor, you are on the clock!

Last edited by tuq; 06-10-2009 at 02:11 PM. Reason: added a participant
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06-09-2009 , 07:18 PM
First
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06-09-2009 , 07:22 PM
Oh, and if people are waiting to pick, its encouraged to state your pick immediately even if you can't get around to doing your writeup immediately. Basically just try to be as quick and efficient as possible throughout the draft, and everyone will appriciate it.
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06-09-2009 , 07:23 PM
Do I post my picks in here as well as the picks thread? How do I add a write up once my edit time has expired?
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06-09-2009 , 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Golden_Rhino
Do I post my picks in here as well as the picks thread? How do I add a write up once my edit time has expired?
post picks in both this thread and the drafts thread.

cut n paste ftw!
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06-09-2009 , 07:25 PM
Posting it here is probably best, since that where most people will hang out, and someone can post ithe writeup in the draft picks thread if you are unable to, or you can ask a mod to move it.
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06-09-2009 , 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by SHARK DOCTOR
cut n paste ftw!
Example: Today is Tuesday.

Golden Rhino is proud to draft Ace Bailey. Write up later.

It is now Thursday. How do I go back to my original thread and add it?

EDIT: Answered, never mind.
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06-09-2009 , 07:27 PM
Also, don't mention the names of any player that haven't been drafted yet.
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06-09-2009 , 07:28 PM
just post ur pick here with no writeup and then post ur writeup in the draft thread whenever u want to (obv sooner the better), people would submit day+ old writeups all the time in other drafts

also make sure to list ur team after each writeup, so say u just picked ur 3rd player ur writeup should be like this


round x pick x player x position

photo(s)

writeup

team so far:

player y
player z
player x
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06-09-2009 , 07:29 PM
Wade Belak
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06-09-2009 , 07:30 PM
Example Write ups:\

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Originally Posted by BobboFitos
Round #3/ Pick 102 (via FaDi) Derrick Coleman


http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...LgwuTSAw&hl=en

Derirck Coleman is the player that is the best fit for my need as well as one of the best talents available. I wont make the bold statement he's the BPA, because frankly I have no idea who IS the BPA. Similar to my EJ writeup, I'm going to list DC's accomplishments; follow it up with his stats; than detail my team plans.

*Note here I traded up to get him, since I felt this addition to my team was essential. I felt he was one of the top PFs available and would not be around 17 picks later. Perhaps I am right, otherwise I cost myself a valuable asset later.

Team BobboFitos:
PG -
SG - Eddie Jones
SF -
PF - Derrick Coleman
C - Shaquille O'Neal

Derrick Coleman was a 15 year veteran, at 6'10 and a (playing!) weight of 230lbs. A former all star in 1994, Coleman also won Rookie of the Year honors in 1990-01, and 2 all-NBA teams. (Which is somewhat odd/funny, because it's generally harder to make an all-NBA team than it is to make an all star team, 15 spots vs 24)

Derrick Coleman ("DC") was a 23 year old rookie, where he put up 18.4/10/3/2.2 (17.6 PER) but this doesn't count. That's fine! He blossomed from there, earning marks of... 7 of the next 9 years PER was 17.3 or higher, with a peak 25/26 of 21.2/21.4. (110 and 111 ORtg, 101 and 102 DRtg)

DC is not one to play a full season. In fact, the one big knock on him (well, 2 really!) are that he was injury-prone (never played a full season, and generally missed 25% of his games) and liked breaking the law. (Numerous encounters that are considered illegal) I have no defense for this, but plan on approaching the regular season as a warming up period where both Shaq and DC will get their rest, so that they can power me through the playoffs. (If it's any consolation, DC barely missed any playoff games) I am also counting on Shaq being the alpha dog to keep DC in line. He certainly adds an element of imbalance, which can either propel a team or detract it.

No writeup would be correct without listing defensive stuff, as well, since that was a major reason for my pick. At 6-10, I have a very tall front court (with the 7'1 Shaq at the 5 spot) and a good combination of strength and speed. DC has a career DRtg of 103 (including his best defense years of 99 twice, 100 twice, than 101 3 times). Career-wise, averaged 1.3 bpg and .8 spg, but only 2.6 fouls/game.

Even though I want Eddie Jones to be my #2 option, DC will likely claim the 2nd spot in shot attempts. With a career usage rate of 23.8, (peaking @27 yrs old, 26.4%) he is no stranger to shouldering a load. Since I plan on being an inside-outside team, his post game will complement Shaq. (He can hit the midrange, pnr, and more importantly, was an OK passer).

Note that I also like drawing fouls, especially as a way with the 9-man roster of countering Shaq. One of DC's biggest strengths is that he averaged for a career 5.5 fta, peaking @ 8.8 a game as a 27 yr old.

Alright, lets move into more in depth how he fits in with both Shaq and EJ. Although I haven't decided the direction of my team, I am pretty sure I will implement an inside focused offense, which will mean funneling the ball into either Shaq or DC, and letting them pick off the weaker post man. Since I don't want teams to be able to double Shaq inside, this required me to select a postman with moves. DC fits the bill. Further, I also wanted someone who is an adept passer who doesn't turn the ball over much; although DC is not strong in either category, he also does alright. (2.5 apg vs 2.6 TOpg, roughly 1:1 A/TO, for a PF that's OK) Being able to free up my outside shooting (thus far, just EJ) is essential too.

Defensively, I have my post defense set. DC is a very competent 1on1 defender, who is quick enough to rotate to the perimeter if the situation calls for it. With both Shaq and DC, my opponents shouldn't be getting many offensive boards, as well. Although DC isn't a master shot blocker, he was solid enough in that regard to be a slight positive for me there.

Going back to my overall philosophy (balance) I think DC at this spot offers me a good #2 post option that is +EV, will draw many fouls, and wont allow teams to double down on Shaq. Defensively he will be another anchor, so I will continue my quest to build a complete offensive AND defensive team.

Clark, you are on the clock.
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Originally Posted by Seadood228
Round 3 Pick 103

Jeff Hornacek - Guard



85th career Defensive Win Shares
33rd career Win Shares
40th career Assists
17th Carrer Offensive rating
31st career Steals
46th career Win Shares Above Average
21st Career 3PT Percentage
14.5 PPG Average

After drafting a couple of bigs, especially two guys who are great without the ball and excellent pick 'n roll players, I felt it was time to draft a guard who would excel in both. I feel Jeff Hornacek is the perfect player because he could shoot, drive, and pass with the best of them. Also, he represents another high basketball IQ, unselfish, team oriented player to go along with the two I've got.

Attributes:

Durability and Longevity - Hornacek played 14 seasons, and the most action he missed was 15 games, which happened once. His only missed 5 one other time in his career.

Versatility - Jeff played the point in Phoenix until Kevin Johnson Arrived, and played SG for much of his career. He's come off the bench and started, he's been the teams first, second, and third options, and done them all with the same level of consistency.

Consistency - Jeff has a career PER of 17.7, and if you exclude his rookie season, this number has been rock-steady for most of his career. That is quite an accomplishment considering he has played for multiple teams.

Shooting - His career True Shooting % of .582, Free Throw % of .877, and FG% .496 are excellent for a mid volume shooter.

Defense - Jeff was an average to above average defender. While his career Defensive Rating was 108, he did manage to rack up 96 Defensive Win Shares along with 1.4 steals a game.

Even though he was a capable defender, defense had little to do with my choice. Jeff was consistently one of the most efficient offensive players in the league, and has playmaking capabilities to boot. His mid and long range shooting ability will make defending a Laimbeer/Garnett PnR extremely tough, and defenders will be punished for leaving Jeff when KG is in the post.

Team so far:

Kevin Garnett - PF
Bill Laimbeer - C
Jeff Hornacek - G (dunno which yet)
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Originally Posted by capone0
Round 3 Pick 104

Andre Iguodala - Guard/SF



Didn't really want to go with another young player but he is that good for my team. With him in the lineup it gives me a very good post defender and a very good wing defender.

His TS% is pretty high at around 56% although it's dropped with increased playing time and importance to the team. Another great part is he's only missed 6 games in 4 seasons. 1 big worry is his turning over the ball but that was only really last year.

1 thing that I lack now are shooters, I have a chucker and a decent shooter and a really efficient post player. I figure defensively I'm pretty good now and offensively I'm also pretty good. I'll just need some 3 point shooters.

Stats:

Top 10 in the league in steals the last 3 years.
3 Years playing 82 games.
19 per this year and 18 last year his first 2 years without AI.
Career averages of 15/6r/5a with 2 SPG and .5 bpg.
Last year averages of 20/5.5/5 and 2 and .5.
Good defensively.
TS% of 56.5% and 50% fg%.

Team so far.

PF/C-Howard
SG/SF-Iggy
PG-T. Hardaway

dtemp on clock.
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Originally Posted by nath
Round 3, Pick 105

PG - Jose Calderon



I know this will be perceived as a reach by some. To be honest, there were quite a few people I considered at this spot, but after evaluating them all, I felt Calderon was the best fit and wouldn't be available in round 4.

It's simple: Given the team I inherited with Nowitzki and Boozer, I felt like the best chance to build a winner was to create a team that would be really efficient and execute well on the offensive end. I wanted a good PG here, and since most of the teams double-picking behind me still need one, I had to get my guy. And when I looked over the numbers, I decided that Calderon was the guy with both the best chance to grow into a real star and the one who could run the offense the best with those two guys.

He's only been in the league three years, so there's definitely some risk in that he doesn't have an established career path, but the early signs are encouraging: he's improved every year he's been in the league by nearly every metric (and his per-36 rate stats have improved, too, so it isn't just a matter of increased usage).

Check out some of his 07-08 stats: 11.2/8.3/2.9/1.1 in just over 30 minutes a game; a greater than 4:1 assist:turnover ratio; a 20.5 PER, .607 TS%, .575 eFG%. His 127 ORt was 2nd in the league last season, and he had an ORt of 117 last year, so it's not a fluke. And based on his statistical trends, I can expect him to get even better.

Again, not much career evidence to go on here, but it seems to me that this guy is the obvious pick to run my offense. I got two big guys who can score; now I got someone who will get them the ball in the perfect spot-- and take a good shot, if he has to.

The best part? I still have a ton of flexibility on how to build my team next. Being able to use Nowitzki and Boozer at the 3/4 or 4/5 means I can go BPA with my next pick, be him big or small.

This team is gonna be a lot of fun to watch. Also, as a bonus, I still have a chance to run out a United Nations (5 different countries in my lineup). I'm excited!

Awards
"Most underrated guy in the league until around the All-Star Break, when everyone started talking about him", 2007-2008
"Most inexplicable backup who is much better than the guy who's starting," 2006-2008

Roster
SF/PF - Dirk Nowitzki
PF/C - Carlos Boozer
PG - Jose Calderon

flyingmoose, you are on the clock!
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Originally Posted by EPiPeN11
Round #3 Pick #106 Kevin Martin 6'7 SG/SF



Kevin Martin was a guy I had my eye on with my original 2nd round pick, and I am absolutly shocked he fell this far. He is a clear cut mid 2nd round talent, and to be able to get him this late in the 3rd round was easily worth it for me to trade up for.

Kevin Martin is one of the most underrated players in the entire NBA, and not only scores a lot, but scores ridiculously efficently. He has a career TS% of .607 with the last 3 years being .604, .614, and .618. His shoot has improved each year, and this past year shot the 3pter at .402. Not only does he shoot the 3 very efficently, he shoots a lot of them (took 4.4 a game last year). What makes his TS% and 3PT% numbers even more impressive, is that he was the #1 option on pretty bad team with defenses focused to stop him night in and night out. He won't even have to be my number 1 option (McHale will be), he will be splitting the #2 option with Billups (although I will probably give the ball more to Martin than Billups). This is very important for floor spacing, as well as being able to play offense without the ball, which is why I think McHale/Billups/Martin will be so effective (none of them need the ball on offense to be deadly, because they all have deadly shots (Billups and Martin from 3 and midrange, and McHale from midrange).

Not only does he shoot 3's very well, he shoots ft's incredibly well also (like Billups/McHale do). He shot .869 last year from the ft line. Not only does he shoot great from the line, he gets there a ton as well, infact he got there a whopping 9.5 times a game last season. For someone who scored 23.4 pts a game last season, he does not turn the ball over much at all (only 2.1 times a game). He has the speed/quickness/length/shooting/dribbling/passing ability to be one of the best offensive threats in the NBA for a long time. Oh wait, did I mention that the last season I keep reffering to is the one where he is only 24!! He is incredibly young and has improved each year, and I have no reason to think that it won't continue. He is a very hard worker, and a very coachable kid who loves playing the game.

He also has the ability to be a lockdown defender (he has the size/length/speed/quickness), but needs to work on his defense a little more to get there (as of now he's only an average defender). We also feel with 2 elite defenders (McHale/Billups) and more to be added later, that he will be able to learn from them and improve in this aspect of his game. Just like the Celtics of the 80's, and the Celtics of today, I have assembled a "big 3". They all score ridiculously efficently, and all have deadly shots. I also have 2 incredible ft shooters (Billups and Martin) along with one very good ft shooter (McHale) so anytime any 3 of them get to the line (they all got to the line a good amount) it will be almost an automatic 2 points. Also at the end of games, when I am leading, I can get the ball to one of the 3 of them and feel ridiculously confident they will hit both ft's.

Team so far:

PF/C Kevin McHale
SG/SF Kevin Martin
PG Chauncey Billups
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Originally Posted by LurchySoprano
Round 3, Pick 109

Antawn Jamison, SF



After going defense in round 2, I come back here with a tremendous offensive player, Antawn Jamison. Jamison plays both the SF and PF for the Wizards but will play primarily SF next to Karl Malone on my team.

I feel as if Jamison is one of the more underrated players in the NBA, being overshadowed by Gilbert Arenas on his own team, but rest assured, Jamison is vital to the Wizards success. With Arenas out this season, Jamison put up a PER of 20.3 and helped the Wizards still qualify for the playoffs.

Jamison is an appealing option as he can step out and hit the jumper while also rebounding very well (over 10 boards a game this season). The main weakness with Jamison is that he plays questionable defense, but with Robertson and Malone on my team, two guys who made multiple all defense teams, I think Jamison will be some what protected.

With this league starting at the age 24 season, Jamison will step in playing great basketball as he threw up 24.9 ppg and 8.7 rpg in his age 24 season.

Finally, Jamison has been durable over the last few years, playing in 82, 82, 82, 82, 68, 82, 70, and 79 games over the last 8 seasons.

- 2 Time NBA All Star
- Career Per of 18.5
- 6th man of the year in 2004
- Nice career offensive rating
- One of 9 players to average a double double last season
- For his career, a 20ppg, 8 rpg player.

Team so far:

SG - Alvin Robertson
SF - Antawn Jamison
PF - Karl Malone
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Originally Posted by SHARK DOCTOR
Round#1/Pick#11: Chris Paul


Did I just pick Chris Paul with the 11th overall pick???

Considering all my big men on my list were already chosen (Shaq,Hakeem,DRob,TD)...I figured I needed a leader on the floor - and who better than CP3. At 22 years of age (his 3rd full NBA season in the league), Chris has put up MVP caliber numbers with 21.2ppg, 11.6apg and 2.7spg all while shooting an impressive 48.8% from the field (comparable to Magic Johnsons numbers). These numbers speak for themselves. If it wasnt for Kobe and his lifetime acheivement award, you would be looking at the 2007-2008 NBA MVP!

Chris has steadily increased his numbers each year, and considering his young age - I dont see him stopping anytime soon. If there are records to break - hes the guys. If you put a ceiling on this guys potential - be prepared to go convertable...this kid is the real deal - and he has only just begun. Lets say - for some odd reason, he plateaus here...well - then, this is one heluva plateau to be on...these are the kinds of plateaus many would classify as ELITE!...but theres no doubt in my mind - he will improve on his numbers year after year (as he has done every season so far).

Numbers are great!...but Chris is more than just about numbers, he is a true leader. Chris has lead his team to a 2nd seed and an impressive 56-26 record in arguably the toughest conference in NBA history. He helped re-ignite the fire in Tyson Chandler, helped David West (David who?) become an All Star for the first time in his career and was a huge reason why Peja found his stroke back. He elevates the standard of play (like only elite players can) in every single player that steps onto the court with him, and I expect him to do the same on my team. Above all - he is a leader...he is a winner...and willl be a leader for a championship squad in the near future (if not this year).

Along with his All Star nomination this past year, we should also expect him to be put on the All-NBA First Team, All-Defensive First Team (maybe Second Team)...all whle finishing second in the MVP Voting (robbed). The scary part is - the best is yet to come.

I just picked Chris Paul with the 11th overall pick in the draft...and I couldnt be happier.

My Team so far:
PG - Chris Paul


LurchySoprano you are on the clock....
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06-09-2009 , 07:31 PM
Oh and also...if someone in the draft knows how to set up a public spreedsheet to track picks, please do so. Thanks.
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06-09-2009 , 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by EPiPeN11
just post ur pick here with no writeup and then post ur writeup in the draft thread whenever u want to (obv sooner the better), people would submit day+ old writeups all the time in other drafts

also make sure to list ur team after each writeup, so say u just picked ur 3rd player ur writeup should be like this


round x pick x player x position

photo(s)

writeup

team so far:

player y
player z
player x
ahhh, you beat me to it.

anyway, this format for every pick.
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06-09-2009 , 07:31 PM
I had forgotten how ugly those New ORleans unis are.
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06-09-2009 , 07:32 PM
god whoever picked kevin martin got a steal, got him with a pick right after jose calderon and 3 picks later antwan jamison went. the guy who picked him is probably a genius.
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06-09-2009 , 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Golden_Rhino
Do I post my picks in here as well as the picks thread? How do I add a write up once my edit time has expired?
Post the pick in here immediately. As soon as you have the writeup completed, post the writeup in this thread and in the writeup/picks thread. If you have the writeup done when its your turn, then just go ahead and post the pick and the writeup in both threads at the same time.
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06-09-2009 , 07:34 PM
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Also, don't mention the names of any player that haven't been drafted yet.
Oh yea, forgot to mention this, but absolutely this! NO TALKING ABOUT UNDRAFTED PLAYERS. This includes saying things like "I don't like that pick because I think theres another guy at the same position who is better." Only discuss the players who have already been drafted please.
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06-09-2009 , 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Mikhail's Fortunes
I had forgotten how ugly those New ORleans unis are.
why dont you sleep on it, and get back to us tomorrow?
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06-09-2009 , 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by SHARK DOCTOR
why dont you sleep on it, and get back to us tomorrow?
lol
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06-09-2009 , 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by EPiPeN11
god whoever picked kevin martin got a steal, got him with a pick right after jose calderon and 3 picks later antwan jamison went. the guy who picked him is probably a genius.
And only 36 picks before Brandon Roy went and 41 before Kevin Durant went....almost as many games as KMart missed this year
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06-09-2009 , 07:36 PM
Just for that I might have to use my second round pick on hockey's version of Starbury
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06-09-2009 , 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Assani Fisher
And only 36 picks before Brandon Roy went and 41 before Kevin Durant went
haha true
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06-09-2009 , 07:38 PM
EPiPeN11 convinced me to do another NBA Draft once this is over. Gonna make it a one year only league and have every player who played a game from 1979-80 to the present eligible(except only at the age they played within that time frame), so that should make things a lot different than last time.
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06-09-2009 , 07:39 PM
Haha, its ridiculous I know, but I"m already thinking to myself "Man, where is Gamblor...hurry up and pick!"
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06-09-2009 , 07:42 PM
Also, if anyone needs to contact me immediately for any reason due to this draft, my AIM is jwvdcw. I often leave it up when I'm away though(with no away message), so if I don't respond just leave me a message anyway and I'll get back to you.
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