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Old 05-14-2008, 07:03 PM   #2201
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Worthy on a less talented team was a 24/6/5 guy IMO.
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Old 05-14-2008, 07:03 PM   #2202
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Worthy's job wasn't to crash the glass it was to get out on the break, run the floor and finish. Worthy was a very effecient scorer, always showed up for big games and outperformed his regular season #s in the playoffs year and year out hence the nick name "big game" James. I'm sure if they wanted him to get more rebounds he could've got more rebounds.
This for example is a good argument which soundly proves me wrong. Awards prove less by themselves. (directed to big cat)
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Old 05-14-2008, 07:04 PM   #2203
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The rebounding doesn't really bother me, JW would routinely head out on the break and Magic being the better passer was more in charge of the boards. It's more his age and the fact that he played with Magic, who is the reason he got a lot of those easy buckets. He averaged a decent number of points, but considering that the Lakers averaged ~115 for those seasons...

That and he was known as a pretty porous defender. Right now there are a couple guys out there that are insanely sick value, and to take Worthy over them wasn't the right move imo.
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Old 05-14-2008, 07:08 PM   #2204
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This is one of the cases where I feel like PER does a good job describing the value of a player. Sure if he was on a less stacked team he would've been used more, but his efficiency would've gone down.
well, his numbers indicate he was indeed at least an efficient shooter.
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Old 05-14-2008, 07:09 PM   #2205
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The rebounding doesn't really bother me, JW would routinely head out on the break and Magic being the better passer was more in charge of the boards. It's more his age and the fact that he played with Magic, who is the reason he got a lot of those easy buckets. He averaged a decent number of points, but considering that the Lakers averaged ~115 for those seasons...

That and he was known as a pretty porous defender. Right now there are a couple guys out there that are insanely sick value, and to take Worthy over them wasn't the right move imo.
This nearly categorizes how young and uneducated this draft is. You sit around talking about PER without ever seeing him play a game! lmao And saying there are "guys out there with insanely sick value" is a mockery at the game of basketball. You can't compare a guy who's played 2 or 3 seasons to the likes of all time greats. fact and end of story
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Old 05-14-2008, 07:11 PM   #2206
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Why is he an all time great? Analysis of his game, please.
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Old 05-14-2008, 07:11 PM   #2207
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well, his numbers indicate he was indeed at least an efficient shooter.
lots and lots of transition baskets plus being on a team that had to focus on shutting down the likes of kareem and magic
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Old 05-14-2008, 07:12 PM   #2208
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BigCat brings the crotchety old man element that ClarkSmiles often fails to deliver
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Old 05-14-2008, 07:13 PM   #2209
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Worthy is an efficient scorer playing a position loaded with scorers (efficient, bulk, and some that are both). He contributes fairly little beyond the scoring, and he was pretty much useless after 30.

Re: Clark's argument about him playing on a stacked team. Sure, maybe he would have been more of a focal point on a different team, but do you think he would get nearly as many great looks without Magic running the show? I think the argument really cuts both ways.
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Old 05-14-2008, 07:14 PM   #2210
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Worthy is an efficient scorer playing a position loaded with scorers (efficient, bulk, and some that are both). He contributes fairly little beyond the scoring, and he was pretty much useless after 30.

Re: Clark's argument about him playing on a stacked team. Sure, maybe he would have been more of a focal point on a different team, but do you think he would get nearly as many great looks without Magic running the show? I think the argument really cuts both ways.
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Old 05-14-2008, 07:14 PM   #2211
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This nearly categorizes how young and uneducated this draft is. You sit around talking about PER without ever seeing him play a game! lmao And saying there are "guys out there with insanely sick value" is a mockery at the game of basketball. You can't compare a guy who's played 2 or 3 seasons to the likes of all time greats. fact and end of story
Well for one, from you're last sentence its pretty clear you don't know who these guys with sick value that are "making a mockery of basketball" are. You think were picking Tiago Splitter for his TUP or something?
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Old 05-14-2008, 07:15 PM   #2212
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This nearly categorizes how young and uneducated this draft is. You sit around talking about PER without ever seeing him play a game! lmao And saying there are "guys out there with insanely sick value" is a mockery at the game of basketball. You can't compare a guy who's played 2 or 3 seasons to the likes of all time greats. fact and end of story
I take it you thought Phoenix and Dallas won the Shaq and Kidd trades by a huge margin.
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Old 05-14-2008, 07:16 PM   #2213
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Worthy on a less talented team was a 24/6/5 guy IMO.
I agree Clark. I don't think some of these guys realize how sickly good and balanced the Lakers were basically from the year Magic got there all the way through the 80s. They didn't need anyone scoring 25-30 points a game. Trust me if Worthy was in a system where he had to get 25-30 a game, he definitley had the skill set to do it and when he had to do it in playoff games he did it. I guess maybe you could've waited to get Worthy but I dunno it's debatable but some people are acting like the guy shouldn't even have been in the top 100 of the draft.(not you by any means)
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Old 05-14-2008, 07:17 PM   #2214
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This nearly categorizes how young and uneducated this draft is. You sit around talking about PER without ever seeing him play a game! lmao And saying there are "guys out there with insanely sick value" is a mockery at the game of basketball. You can't compare a guy who's played 2 or 3 seasons to the likes of all time greats. fact and end of story
I might be the oldest guy on this draft, and I did see him play.
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Old 05-14-2008, 07:18 PM   #2215
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Worthy is an efficient scorer playing a position loaded with scorers (efficient, bulk, and some that are both). He contributes fairly little beyond the scoring, and he was pretty much useless after 30.

Re: Clark's argument about him playing on a stacked team. Sure, maybe he would have been more of a focal point on a different team, but do you think he would get nearly as many great looks without Magic running the show? I think the argument really cuts both ways.
Sure he got great looks via Magic but he could definitley create his own shot too. He had some really nice moves around the basket and was really quick and fast for his size. The guy was 6'9 and moved around like a 2 guard. Wow you guys are really, really underrating and sleeping on Worthy.
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Old 05-14-2008, 07:19 PM   #2216
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One of the keys to this draft is taking players whose skill sets cannot be replaced by a later pick(s). This may be Worthy's downside - you can probably replace what he does best - finish on the break, shoot, etc. - later on in the draft because I think there are soooo many viable swingmen. But I would have no problem if BigCat would have taken Worthy w/ his 2nd pick, so if he can get one of the few players I am thinking about / would have taken, in the 2nd round, it doesn't really matter then.

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Old 05-14-2008, 07:22 PM   #2217
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I guess maybe you could've waited to get Worthy but I dunno it's debatable but some people are acting like the guy shouldn't even have been in the top 100 of the draft.(not you by any means)
Im pretty sure people aren't saying Worthy should be a third round pick. However there are more complete players available that also match Worthy's scoring, if not better it.
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Old 05-14-2008, 07:28 PM   #2218
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It's amazing that a 2 time All-NBA player is in the HOF. Is it just b/c of the team?
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Old 05-14-2008, 07:29 PM   #2219
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Mutumbo pick is nice.

Not sold on the Webber pick. Injuries, etc.

Hate the Worthy pick. Not that he's bad, but he shouldn't be the best player on your team.

There's some sick value out there right now, imo, and there has been since Yao went off the board.
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Old 05-14-2008, 07:30 PM   #2220
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Nice pick MeBenHoe. FWIW, when I said I was literally flipping a coin it was between Brand and Webber.
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Old 05-14-2008, 07:31 PM   #2221
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Ugh I wanna pick now instead of 9.
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Old 05-14-2008, 07:31 PM   #2222
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It's amazing that a 2 time All-NBA player is in the HOF. Is it just b/c of the team?
He was one of the best players on a team that dominated a decade of course he's going to be a HOF. Part of it has to do with the team but the guy could definitley play.
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Old 05-14-2008, 07:31 PM   #2223
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sick pick DWEEBenhoe. Sadly wasn't even on my radar. Little bit risky but whateva.
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Old 05-14-2008, 07:32 PM   #2224
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i love the brand pick assuming the injury counts as a freak one

wtf was chicago thinking when they traded him
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Old 05-14-2008, 07:32 PM   #2225
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Brand is nice.
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