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Old 05-07-2008, 02:20 AM   #176
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can i get in ??? is it too late ??? I WANT IN.
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Old 05-07-2008, 02:21 AM   #177
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wow, people are really enjoying the possibility of a LSU alum team or something. If I got the 1st overall pick, i would've gone with an all UNC team for sure.
This is more challenging and has more exciting implications IMO. I would let you have Anthony Randolph to be nice but that's just me.
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Old 05-07-2008, 02:23 AM   #178
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when is it my pick ??
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Old 05-07-2008, 02:29 AM   #179
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can i get in ??? is it too late ??? I WANT IN.
you're in.
read the rules and all the threads and you'll see when you pick.
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Old 05-07-2008, 02:33 AM   #180
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cool.... no one pick mugsy bouges... please


or the weakest player in nba history... brad sellers
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Old 05-07-2008, 02:54 AM   #181
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or the weakest player in nba history... brad sellers
Sellers was pretty terrible, but I think John Koncak is weaker.

What is even more unbelievable Koncak was the 5th overall pick in 85.
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Old 05-07-2008, 03:08 AM   #182
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hey ashy - youre last on the list....I dont want to sound like an ahole....but I think there sholud be no more joiners. (i feel like im in the fifth grade again lol)

I just think - if we're ever going to get this draft done - we need to stop adding more and more GMs to the already long list.

I'll see if the Mods can edit the initial post and add your name to the bottom of the list....just to keep it more organized - since thats the only way this draft actually stays its course and actually gets completed (before Christmas)
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Old 05-07-2008, 03:18 AM   #183
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Hey, assani, what happens when players start retiring? Do they get replaced with scrubs, average players, don't get replaced? What does the league look like in year 16?

Obv, this has major peak vs longevity ramifications.
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Old 05-07-2008, 05:53 AM   #184
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Hey, assani, what happens when players start retiring? Do they get replaced with scrubs, average players, don't get replaced? What does the league look like in year 16?

Obv, this has major peak vs longevity ramifications.
Assume that the league will run like any other league, so each year a new influx of rookies will come into the league. In year 16 most of these players drafted will be out of the league and replaced by rookies.
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Old 05-07-2008, 09:14 AM   #185
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Crap, I wanted Hakeem.
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Old 05-07-2008, 09:25 AM   #186
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Regarding pickup and 3's...it's tough to say. I do like the idea of eliminating 1's and 2's just because of the way that a hot 3 pt shooter can completely torch a game. It also makes it easier for me to guard a great 3 pt shooter because I just don't let him shoot. But again that sucks. I usually like guarding the worst offensive player so I can play off the ball defense (by all accounts I'm a prodigy and shot blocking and defensive rebounding, but I accredit this all to the fact that the guy I guard when I rack up these stats just happens to be moving my shadow to the right direction).
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Old 05-07-2008, 10:18 AM   #187
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Crap, I wanted Hakeem.
wasn't gonna last past me
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Old 05-07-2008, 10:48 AM   #188
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Random question since I'd seen it written both ways: What are the rules on guys who were in one of their first few seasons during the 79-80 season and thus were in their prime during the 80s? I take it they are ineligible, but just making sure.
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Old 05-07-2008, 10:54 AM   #189
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I think it'll be interesting to see who takes 32yo Jabbar, who is still going to have longevity and production beyond a lot of guys taken in this draft.
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Old 05-07-2008, 10:54 AM   #190
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Random question since I'd seen it written both ways: What are the rules on guys who were in one of their first few seasons during the 79-80 season and thus were in their prime during the 80s? I take it they are ineligible, but just making sure.
The rules say rookie year was 79 so that would be the 79-80 season. So sorry, no Jack Sikma for you.
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Old 05-07-2008, 10:55 AM   #191
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I think it'll be interesting to see who takes 32yo Jabbar, who is still going to have longevity and production beyond a lot of guys taken in this draft.

I don't think he's eligible. Rookie year had to be 79 or later.
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Old 05-07-2008, 10:57 AM   #192
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Old 05-07-2008, 11:03 AM   #193
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The rules say rookie year was 79 so that would be the 79-80 season. So sorry, no Jack Sikma for you.
I was thinking Mr. Fo Fo Fo himself, Moses Malone.
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Old 05-07-2008, 11:05 AM   #194
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JoA is in the lab right now mixing up some intense calculations IMO.
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Old 05-07-2008, 11:33 AM   #195
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1:8 "The Admiral" David Robinson.


The 2nd of the Twin Towers. Is there any denying their greatness?

Robinson entered the league at 24 and immediately made an impact. He was chosen for the All-Star team, 2nd All Defense team, 3rd All NBA team, and was named Rookie of the Year. He would be An All-Star every year from 1990 to 2001, except the year of his freak broken foot in 1997. He won two NBA finals, was the MVP in 1995. But you know all of this, right?

The biggest reason David Robinson is underrated is because people just don't agree how high his peak was. Robinson lead the league in PER three years running: 93-94, 94-95, and 95-96. His PER during this time was over 29. The only two people of this era to have a higher peak are Shaq and Jordan.

But even if you don't like PER, during this time he actually had a scoring title (with close to 30 pts per game), was all defensive twice, and all NBA twice. He averaged 27/11, shot for about 52% and got to the line 11 times per game. Robinson also converted on over 75% of his free throws.

Win Shares? Robinson lead the league the first two years, and the only reason his 53 win shares weren't #1 in 95-96 was because Michael Jordan came back and had 57. The only thing that stopped Robinson's utter dominance were back problems and a freak broken foot injury the following year. Yet, Robinson was ridiculously healthy the rest of his career. And like Duncan, Robinson's dominance came on defense. Robinson lead the league in defensive rating 5 times and has the third best defensive rating in the era, behind only Duncan and Ben Wallace. He lead the league in defensive Win Shares 4 times and is 3rd, behind only Hakeem and Karl Malone - despite playing many less games than they did.

The only problem with Robinson's career was that it was too short. However, pretty much all of that comes from the fact that he started at 24 and missed his age 29 season. Neither of these should be a problem in this league.
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Old 05-07-2008, 11:34 AM   #196
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JoA is in the lab right now mixing up some intense calculations IMO.
Admiral was always gonna be the pick.
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Old 05-07-2008, 12:29 PM   #197
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damn.. i wanted kareem.
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Old 05-07-2008, 12:30 PM   #198
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since i am last on the list i will have back to back picks right ...
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Old 05-07-2008, 12:37 PM   #199
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EVERYONE PLEASE NOTE THIS RULE: DISCUSSION OF PICKS MADE IS ENCOURAGED OF COURSE. HOWEVER PLEASE DO NOT DISCUSS ANYBODY THAT HASN'T BEEN PICKED YET OR SAY WHO YOU'D PICK NEXT OR WHO YOU WOULD'VE PICKED(IF THEY HAVN'T BEEN PICKED YET).
While this is a good rule. It should be relaxed in the top 5. While someone might say, "Wow, I completely forgot about Brian Skinner." No one is going to say, "OMG, I completely forgot about Magic Johnson. Let me change my pick."

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Without discussing other players, I'm shocked that others are hating on this pick. Do you really think theres not a >50% chance that Lebron ends up having a better career than any one player left on the draft board? 30.0 points, 7.2 assists, 7.9 rebounds, 1.8 steals, and 1.1 blocks as a 23 year old this year!!!!! Its a big "if", but if he can mimic Jordan's improvement on his jump shot, then I see him as the clear best player of all time.
The hating on the pick is wrong. People here are comparing Lebron today to the entire career of Magic/Bird/Shaq/etc. At age 24, with no hindsight advantage, I'd guess that most GMs would take Lebron over Magic. In fact, without the benefit of hindsight, no way anyone would take Jordan first. When Jordan was 24, no one had any idea he'd become the "greatest of all-time".

If you magically transport all the eligible players into a vacuum where there post age 24 accomplishments are unknown, I'd guess that Shaq and Lebron are an easy 1/2.

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Old 05-07-2008, 12:43 PM   #200
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Michael Jordan scored 37 points/game when he was 23 years old. This came two years after he lead the league in points. So... I'm not sure what your etalking about.
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