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Old 05-13-2008, 09:59 PM   #1926
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Yeah, Iverson is a career .519 TS%. His FT shooting (and since he shoots so many) is a huge, huge plus.
League average is .540% And that year I mentioned he was .489.
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Old 05-13-2008, 10:01 PM   #1927
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League average is .540% And that year I mentioned he was .489.
Again, so he's an insanely high usage rate at just under league average. Yes, he epitomizes bulk shooter. But I still love him!
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Old 05-13-2008, 10:29 PM   #1928
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League average is .540% And that year I mentioned he was .489.
What was he been since joining Denver? For the first time surrounded by legit weapons. Plus, he's now past his prime by several years. Hasn't his TS% gone up a bunch since the trade? To me at least, that would suggest that in his prime surrounded by real players he'd have been pretty awesome.

Or, maybe it hasn't gone up at all and I'm smoking dope.
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Old 05-13-2008, 10:32 PM   #1929
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ok, I just looked it up.

If you treat his denver-only stats from last year and his stats this year as two "seasons", then the best two TS% seasons of his career are with Denver (.545 and .567.) This despite being past his prime. I think one can make the argument that given actual offensive talent around him at any point in his prime he would've been even better than that.
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Old 05-13-2008, 10:49 PM   #1930
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Clark - I don't think anyone would dispute that. Actually, it's a common argument (that with more weapons, your usage should go down but efficiency up, with fewer weapons, your usage goes up but efficiency down)

However, his overall PER wouldn't likely change that much, since it takes into account USG. (And is sometimes maligned for that)

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Old 05-13-2008, 10:49 PM   #1931
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ok, I just looked it up.

If you treat his denver-only stats from last year and his stats this year as two "seasons", then the best two TS% seasons of his career are with Denver (.545 and .567.) This despite being past his prime. I think one can make the argument that given actual offensive talent around him at any point in his prime he would've been even better than that.
Good point Clark. And I think you can take it a step further and say that he really isn't surrounded by talent in Denver. Of all the teams in the NBA, they have to be in the bottom 5 with regards to jumpshooters. So like he did in Philly, he still has to deal with a defense that sags his direction. I wonder how he'd do on a team like Phoenix with high % outside shooters who's men can't cheat off them..
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Old 05-13-2008, 11:23 PM   #1932
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Just got back from work--been there since a little after 3. I will get my pick up there now that I am home, let me work on it. Holla.
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Old 05-13-2008, 11:43 PM   #1933
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Wow, this pick is h-a-r-d. And in about 10 picks it gets super dicey.
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Old 05-13-2008, 11:44 PM   #1934
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Wow, this pick is h-a-r-d. And in about 10 picks it gets super dicey.
yeah it's been killing me
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Old 05-13-2008, 11:56 PM   #1935
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Cool. Two picks on deck.
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Old 05-14-2008, 12:03 AM   #1936
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K, I think I've settled on who I would pick in TDarkos spot. But it's tough.
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Old 05-14-2008, 12:05 AM   #1937
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West imo ^^.
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Old 05-14-2008, 12:06 AM   #1938
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did td pass out?
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Old 05-14-2008, 12:07 AM   #1939
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I know who i would take also, actually seems like a no brainer to me

EDIT: I guess it isnt a no brainer
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Old 05-14-2008, 12:08 AM   #1940
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WOOO TD picks marion. I can't write up my whole description now but I'm taking Grant Hill. I stayed up to make the pick IMO. I'll have a report up sometime tomorrow but don't hold me to that as I have 15 papers to write tomorrow IMO.
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Old 05-14-2008, 12:08 AM   #1941
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Picked, do I need to PM tbach, he just posted?

Also, I was picking between like 5 guys. That was very difficult.
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Old 05-14-2008, 12:08 AM   #1942
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Tdarko is working on pulling a Mike Ditka to get Dirk.
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Old 05-14-2008, 12:08 AM   #1943
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Old 05-14-2008, 12:09 AM   #1944
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Marion..........................................ok ay. 3 Suns players in the top 31 I think is way too high.
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Old 05-14-2008, 12:10 AM   #1945
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btw, Grant Hill's injured ass wasn't one of the five guys I was choosing from.
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Old 05-14-2008, 12:10 AM   #1946
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I can honestly say that I never thought about Marion. Can't hate on it though, because he will be easy to build around and you've got another pick coming very shortly.
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Old 05-14-2008, 12:10 AM   #1947
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Marion..........................................ok ay. 3 Suns players in the top 31 I think is way too high.
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Old 05-14-2008, 12:11 AM   #1948
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btw, Grant Hill's injured ass wasn't one of the five guys I was choosing from.
Yeah. You lose some of his best years due to the age thing, then the injuries rain down like tears of a wasted first round pick.
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Old 05-14-2008, 12:12 AM   #1949
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btw, Grant Hill's injured ass wasn't one of the five guys I was choosing from.
Quickly, IMO Hill >>> Pippen.

From wikipedia:

"After the first six seasons of his career, before his ankle injury, Hill had a total of 9,393 points, 3,417 rebounds and 2,720 assists. Oscar Robertson and Larry Bird are the only two players in league history to eclipse these numbers after their first six seasons."

And for stats nerds, great PER and also a very good defensive player and great distributor.
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Old 05-14-2008, 12:12 AM   #1950
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Yeah. You lose some of his best years due to the age thing, then the injuries rain down like tears of a wasted first round pick.
It was a freak injury that got brutalized due to Hill's wanting to prove himself to the Piston fans.
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