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05-13-2008 , 09:08 PM

#1901

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reverse snake will screw picks ~15 to 20 the most imo.

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05-13-2008 , 09:09 PM

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I would put the odds over 50% that someone picks at the wrong time(or at least is about to) if we switch to reverse snake.

really? all someone has to remember is not to pick again until the person after them has picked.

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reverse snake will screw picks ~15 to 20 the most imo.

someone gets screwed regardless of the draft format. fewer people get screwed this way

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05-13-2008 , 09:11 PM

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it's no coincidence that the pro crowd members all have very high picks. if this had been done b/f the draft lottery i'm pretty sure there would have been an overwhelming desire to have a reverse snake draft format

wrong - I pick 11th overall - and it has nothing to do with that (for me anyway)....

my point is - firstly...we already discussed it and it was pretty much done

secondly - it appears that we are already having some communication problems with this thread...and alot of dealys - this will just cause more disorganization and will end in a riot! (rodney king aint got nothing on this thread)

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05-13-2008 , 09:11 PM

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reverse snake will screw picks ~15 to 20 the most imo.

except they don't get screwed nearly that bad as the people who draft 30-40 if we don't reverse snake, you were still able to get a very elite player if you drafted smart in that 15-20 range. I was pick #21 and I am thrilled with my pick, and scottie pippen was also avaliable too.

No excuses for anyone who picked in the top 20 and didn't end up with an absolute stud.

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05-13-2008 , 09:14 PM

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wrong - I pick 11th overall - and it has nothing to do with that (for me anyway)....

not wrong, i noted that you picked there. 11 is a high pick given the talent distribution

edit: my issue w/it "having been discussed" is that i seriously doubt everyone knows it was being discussed to begin with.

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05-13-2008 , 09:15 PM

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http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...d.php?t=202533

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05-13-2008 , 09:16 PM

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wrong - I pick 11th overall - and it has nothing to do with that (for me anyway)....

lol sure whatever u say, are u the president of the united states as well cause if you say yes u are obv telling the truth.

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05-13-2008 , 09:16 PM

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Oh and I pretty much agree with KC about AI. It might be harder to build a team around him, but overall a solid pick. And I also think he's better at the 1, primarily for defensive purposes. Not sure I agree about him being a poor shooter, he's not so hot from deep but has a very nice 15 footer, which he can pretty much get most of the time.

I was trying to devalue him in the hopes of picking him late in the second. Pretty silly of me to think he'd slip that far.

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05-13-2008 , 09:17 PM

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iverson is such an unusual player, will be interesting to see who you complement him with

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05-13-2008 , 09:18 PM

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iverson is such an unusual player, will be interesting to see who you complement him with

lots and lots of players who don't mind not shooting the ball

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05-13-2008 , 09:18 PM

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With regards to the vote, shouldn't non drafters be allowed? I think they would have the least biased opinions.

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05-13-2008 , 09:21 PM

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lots and lots of players who don't mind not shooting the ball

Actually AI is pretty good at getting people the ball. He's just tends to do it late in the clock, and does some things that would erk me if I were his teammate. I could see him doing well with a combo of shooters/cutters. With players used to PnR, they would get annoyed really fast imo.

It's weird that he's been so great statistically on defense, very weird. I thought he was very bad these last two seasons.. I guess he wasn't.

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05-13-2008 , 09:22 PM

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lots and lots of players who don't mind not shooting the ball

And lots and lots of players who can shoot a decent amount while playing really good D. The plan would be to have about an average efficiency but the best D in the league. Iverson is a decent step in the right direction - he's an above average defender - but you won't be able to have one defensive eak link in the team imo.

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05-13-2008 , 09:23 PM

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lots and lots of players who don't mind not shooting the ball

good point. in 2001/2002 he had a usage rate of 37.8% while playing 43.7 mpg. Just amazing. for the people who don't understand what a feat this was, LBJ led the lead in usage at 32.7% playing 40.4 mpg. So... Iverson basically WAS the sixers offense. simply amazing.

win shares above average HATES on him and I just can't figure out why, since he's a solid defender and has a great career PER. anyone know why??

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05-13-2008 , 09:32 PM

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A .387 fg% while taking 20 shots a game? And he turns it over a lot.

He's not THAT bad of a shooter (mostly because he gets to the line a lot) but he can't really do anything but get an average amount of assists and above average steals.

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05-13-2008 , 09:36 PM

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FG% sucks as a metric.

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05-13-2008 , 09:38 PM

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Voting thread is up, lets please stop derailing this thread. Lots of good discussion to be had here.

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05-13-2008 , 09:41 PM

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I have a feeling that in 6 years when this draft is done, the AI pick is going to be the biggest regret of the first round.

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05-13-2008 , 09:42 PM

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In 6 years Nash pick is teh awesome!!!!!

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05-13-2008 , 09:45 PM

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As we've established that you'd want to put him with defenders (preferably who can knock down a shot or make a solid cut), would you put AI at PG or SG? IIRC in the year they went to the finals they had Eric Snow at PG but other times AI played PG with Aaron Mckie as the SG. Something like that.

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05-13-2008 , 09:46 PM

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FG% sucks as a metric.

Yeah, Iverson is a career .519 TS%. His FT shooting (and since he shoots so many) is a huge, huge plus.

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05-13-2008 , 09:46 PM

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Ideally a large combo guard who can handle, so Iverson can guard the 1, but play the 2 on offense.

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05-13-2008 , 09:49 PM

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Yeah, Iverson is a career .519 TS%. His FT shooting (and since he shoots so many) is a huge, huge plus.

519 TS% is really not good. T-Mac's is higher, and he is a poster child for high-volume, low-efficiency scoring (at least among those picked so far, obviously there are others who illustrate the point even better but I can't name them).

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05-13-2008 , 09:50 PM

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Depends who's available, obv, but there are more good defensive wingmen who can guard the 2 then there are good defensive PGs who can guard the 2. so, basically, you look for a SG, and find a coach that emphasizes defense and has experience with 1 man teams for offense.

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05-13-2008 , 09:51 PM

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519 TS% is really not good. T-Mac's is higher, and he is a poster child for high-volume, low-efficiency scoring (at least among those picked so far, obviously there illustrate the point even better but I can't name them).

Dunno why you mention TMac, it's kinda random. Yeah a .519 is nothing to brag about but it does show his low FG% doesn't tell the true story.

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