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Old 05-13-2008, 08:31 PM   #1876
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Re: Modern Era NBA Build a Franchise Draft Discussion

At first I didn't care about the reverse snake or snake, but I def think it's the fair thing to do reverse snake for all the reasons said, and for the fact we added so many new teams the talent is even worse for those picking at the end of the first round.

Obv the top people aren't going to want reverse snake, and the bottom people will, but people should vote on whats best for this league and that's making it as fair as possible which clearly is reverse snake. I doubt this will happen tho, since people will look out for themselves first.
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Old 05-13-2008, 08:32 PM   #1877
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Clark/Tuq, can we make a thread for this? Just have all the 41 people involved vote via a response (no poll or anything), then lock/delete the thread with an answer.
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Old 05-13-2008, 08:35 PM   #1878
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And if they're still here when I wake up, Im gonna be over the moon.

I like the Iverson pick, but mainly because Iverson himself never ceases to amaze me. I dont understand how someone who plays the way he plays isnt broken into a million pieces by now. I'm really sad I never got the chance to see prime Iverson play in the flesh. Everyone I know who got the chance has said he was even more impressive in person.
One note about Iverson is he's a physical robot. Plays more minutes then anyone. Doesn't miss games. Gets fouled more then nearly anyone. This is a huge positive.
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Old 05-13-2008, 08:37 PM   #1879
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One note about Iverson is he's a physical robot. Plays more minutes then anyone. Doesn't miss games. Gets fouled more then nearly anyone. This is a huge positive.
IMO a robot that went under that much would probably be malfunctioning by this point. AFAIK Iverson is a borg.
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Old 05-13-2008, 08:38 PM   #1880
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I'm going to repeat this one more time and then lets end this discussion:

While I definitely do have my preferences, I am very open to adjusting the rules based upon everyone's wishes. However I refuse to put the time and effort into going over things multiple times just because others couldn't check the thread at least once per day to see if any issues arose. Therefore, if you want a rule changed that has not yet been discussed then simply bring it to my attention, I will listen to both sides, and I will make a ruling(often based upon majority rule, sometimes based upon my own wishes). If you want to change anything that has already been discussed and decided on, then you need to do the work and take a vote from everyone. I will always let the majority's vote have its way. In the case of a tie then my vote will be the deciding one.
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Old 05-13-2008, 08:41 PM   #1881
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the only reason its an issue is because all the lower first rounders are picking now. it was agreed to before the draft and 21 pages of discussion. it should not change
i guess, but it's no coincidence that the people who responded were the people who were picking at the time-- they were the posters most likely to be active in the thread. it stands to reason that the closer you are to picking the more closely you follow the thread, so it wouldn't surprise me at all if a poster who was picking late wasn't following every single post made early in the draft.

it should have been put to a vote prior to the randing b/c those at the top of the draft order have no reason to want a reverse snake, while those at the bottom obviously do.


edit: assani, this thread has a zillion posts already. someone could have missed the discussion about the draft format pretty easily
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Old 05-13-2008, 08:43 PM   #1882
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At first I didn't care about the reverse snake or snake, but I def think it's the fair thing to do reverse snake for all the reasons said, and for the fact we added so many new teams the talent is even worse for those picking at the end of the first round.

Obv the top people aren't going to want reverse snake, and the bottom people will, but people should vote on whats best for this league and that's making it as fair as possible which clearly is reverse snake. I doubt this will happen tho, since people will look out for themselves first.
If you have such a problem with the way this draft's being run you should just start your own.
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Old 05-13-2008, 08:44 PM   #1883
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If you have such a problem with the way this draft's being run you should just start your own.
not this again
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Old 05-13-2008, 08:45 PM   #1884
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so far there are 6 snake supporters (Steroid Boy, BobboFitos, Assani Fisher, SHARK DOCTOR, HighStakesPro, fanmail) and 7 reverse-snake supporters (EPiPen11, cowboy2579, Dudd, SammyKid11, tbach24, sergsz, KLJ), not counting tarheeljks and ClarkNasty who are in support of reverse-snake, but not in the draft. not really a significant sample either way.

would whoever mods this forum care if we make a post to take votes from everyone?
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Old 05-13-2008, 08:45 PM   #1885
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If you have such a problem with the way this draft's being run you should just start your own.
lol
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Old 05-13-2008, 08:47 PM   #1886
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so far there are 6 snake supporters (Steroid Boy, BobboFitos, Assani Fisher, SHARK DOCTOR, HighStakesPro, fanmail) and 8 reverse-snake supporters (Noah/ClarkNasty, EPiPen11, cowboy2579, Dudd, SammyKid11, tbach24, sergsz, KLJ), not counting tarheeljks who is in support of reverse-snake, but not in the draft. not really a significant sample either way.

would whoever mods this forum care if we make a post to take votes from everyone?
wait....Noah and ClarkNasty are the same person? What does that make Clarkmeister?
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Old 05-13-2008, 08:48 PM   #1887
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lol oops, too many clarks
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Old 05-13-2008, 08:54 PM   #1888
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it's no coincidence that the pro crowd members all have very high picks. if this had been done b/f the draft lottery i'm pretty sure there would have been an overwhelming desire to have a reverse snake draft format
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Old 05-13-2008, 08:57 PM   #1889
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I'm not in this thing, but not having a reverse snake draft is pretty lol.

If the point of this draft was for the teams to seem even remotely competitive, you have to switch it, imo.
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Old 05-13-2008, 08:58 PM   #1890
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I think that because of the snake-style draft, teams 1-5 are going to have a hole on their team at PG. I think its the position where you to from elite to inadequate the quickest.

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Can I get some more thoughts on the reverse snake from others involved?

And sorry for the continued editing Clark. Will cap it at 40 though, so just 4 more...I want to do a good compromise between what everyone wanted.
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I'm against a reverse snake. After the first two rounds its going to be pretty even in terms of quality of players left. It's also a lot less confusing. I guess if everyone else wants to do it then fine, but i don't think it will make much of a difference in the end compared to a regular snake, especially if we have 35-40 teams.
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Im against the reverse snake as well - like someone already said - after two rounds its pretty much going even anyway....plus....and this is a huge PLUS!....it will be a lot easier just keeping it the way it is (snake) - with so many people involved - I figure less twists and turns the less problems.

Simpler the better.
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Alright....

a few people have said they don't like it, and nobody that is in the draft has said they prefer it, so we're sticking with a normal snake draft.

this was the snake discussion in the beginning fyi
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Old 05-13-2008, 09:01 PM   #1891
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conveniently leaving out the anti-members ftw?

and i think it's at least somewhat significant that the only 3 non-member votes have been pro-reverse
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Old 05-13-2008, 09:02 PM   #1892
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steroid you, bobbo, and assani have very high picks (1,2, 6 respectively) -- of course you don't want a reverse snake draft. sharkdoctor has the 11th pick and hsp has the 13th pick, so same for them. the argument for "simplicity" is so weak; he would not be saying that if he had the last pick. sure after round 2 it will be fine. . .the first two rounds are going to be what breaks the draft in terms of balance

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conveniently leaving out the anti-members ftw?
i don't think that many responded and i think it's b/c they were people picking later who probably weren't particularly active in the thread. most of the people assenting to a regular snake are people at the top, no coincidence there. if this is really designed to be fair and balanced there's no reason not to have a reverse snake draft
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Old 05-13-2008, 09:04 PM   #1893
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steroid you, bobbo, and assani have very high picks (1,2, 6 respectively) -- of course you don't want a reverse snake draft. sharkdoctor has the 11th pick and hsp has the 13th pick, so same for them. the argument for "simplicity" is so weak; he would not be saying that if he had the last pick. sure after round 2 it will be fine. . .the first two rounds are going to be what breaks the draft in terms of balance
Also if you get confused by a reverse snake draft, you are really freakin dumb.....seriously.
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Old 05-13-2008, 09:04 PM   #1894
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lol @ any argument regarding "simplicity".

Are people going to get CONFUSED?
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Old 05-13-2008, 09:05 PM   #1895
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Again, stop debating! Debating will change nothing. If you want it changed, get a vote done.
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Old 05-13-2008, 09:06 PM   #1896
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lol @ any argument regarding "simplicity".

Are people going to get CONFUSED?
I would put the odds over 50% that someone picks at the wrong time(or at least is about to) if we switch to reverse snake.
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Old 05-13-2008, 09:06 PM   #1897
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I picked 8th, reverse snake is a-okay with me.
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Old 05-13-2008, 09:06 PM   #1898
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I have a high pick (#9), and when they said this would be a regular snake draft I felt like I'd lucked out...

I think the reverse snake is the most fair way to go. The arguments against are pretty bad imo, with the exception of what had been agreed upon.
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Old 05-13-2008, 09:07 PM   #1899
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lol @ any argument regarding "simplicity".

Are people going to get CONFUSED?
I dunno man a reverse snake is really complicated, you need to be a genius to figure it out....

But seriously, anyone with a middle school education would have an easy time understanding the reverse snake draft.
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Old 05-13-2008, 09:08 PM   #1900
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Also if you get confused by a reverse snake draft, you are really freakin dumb.....seriously.
A lot of peope think a reverse snake draft would be easy. But those are the same people who think that making toast is easy.

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