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Old 09-11-2008, 05:32 AM   #15701
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Old 09-11-2008, 06:52 PM   #15702
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I wasn't sold before, but w/Manute Bol out behind the arc draining 3's on noobs I believe that Bobbo's team is now the overwhelming favorite in this league
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Old 09-11-2008, 07:39 PM   #15703
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I got a PM saying it's my turn, but the spreadsheet says it's bobbo's...

I haven't been paying much attention so I'll assume the PM is correct and take Louis Williams. Donkamenting now, so writeup will be coming later.
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Old 09-12-2008, 12:07 AM   #15704
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Dammit, I want more Rick Fox love!
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Old 09-12-2008, 02:24 AM   #15705
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Clark,

http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums...d.php?t=270068

Prosportsdaily is a horrible forum but since you claimed you'd find an equal to Posey in the last round you should appreciate that there are some folk out there who may just reckon you were right.
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Old 09-12-2008, 06:52 AM   #15706
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Rick Fox was great here, I almost took him over Ehlo.
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Old 09-12-2008, 07:28 AM   #15707
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I'm taking Andrea Bargnani, will do write up later.

PG: John Stockon
SG: Latrell Sprewell
SF: Chris Mullin
PF: Charles Oakley
C: Z

SG: Jeff Malone
SF/PF: KVH
PF/C: Chris Wilcox
PG/SG: Bobby Jackson
SF/PF/C: Andrea Bargnani
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Old 09-12-2008, 09:44 AM   #15708
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I think I'm up now, so I'm taking Greg Anthony. No individual writeup now, will start putting together the final team writeup.

Final roster:

Stephon Marbury PG
Leandro Barbosa PG/SG
Toni Kukoc SF
Charles Barkley PF
Kevin Willis C


Jim Jackson SG/SF
Chris Gatling PF/C
Johnny Newman SF/SG
Olden Polynice PF/C
Greg Anthony PG/SG

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Old 09-12-2008, 02:15 PM   #15709
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Last three picks were made, just not on this thread:

386: Louis Williams - flyingmoose
387: Andrea Bargnani - Franchise
388: Greg Anthony - D104

Round 10, Pick 389: Rex "The Boy Wonder" Chapman



To round out my squad I'm going with Rex Chapman.

I was looking at a few guys who were recently selected to round out my squad, but I'm happy with the value Chapman should provide me at this point. With Alvin Robertson being a lock down defender, I could see my team subbing Chapman for Robertson and vice versa at the end of close games.

Before I get into what I see for my team, let me talk about Chapman a little. For his career, Chapman has a career 3pt% of .350, got for top 200 in NBA history. Not a deadeye shooter, but you definitely can't leave him open or he'll make you pay.

The one problem that Chapman has is he'll turn the ball over at a relatively high rate. If I use him about 10-15 minutes a game as the plan is and just use him as a spot up shooter, I think that'd be making the best of his strengths and hide this quite well.

Here is my final roster:

PG: Mark Jackson
SG: Alvin Robertson
SF: Sean Elliot
PF: Karl Malone
C: Mehmet Okur

Bench:

PG: Sherman Douglas
SG: Rex Chapman
SG/SF: Dennis Scott
SF/PF: Antawn Jamison
C: Shawn Bradley

I won't get into my entire plan with my team, but I do like that I can give people a few different looks, a strong defensive lineup and a strong offensive lineup. For example I could put this lineup out if I need to make it rain:

PG: Mark Jackson (.332% from 3)
SG: Rex Chapman (.350% from 3)
SF: Dennis Scott (.397% from 3)
PF: Antawn Jamison (.347% from 3)
C: Mehmet Okur (.364% from 3)

A lineup that would give up a ton of points so clearly I wouldn't use it often but have fun guarding that many perimeter options at the end of a close game.

I'll ramble more once we do the team writeups and sharkdoctor is on the clock...
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Old 09-12-2008, 07:48 PM   #15710
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Round 10: Run JMC selects: Julian Wright



With my last pick I wanted someone pretty versatlie who could play multiple positions. I also get someone LONG with UPSIDE. There is talk of Wright developing into a point forward which would make him a super interesting player. His defense and intangibles are his strengths but he should develop into an average scoring threat. I realize now that these later rounds are where guys like Horford/Wright should be going but I figure I'll take one of the better young guys here now.

There were alot of guys still on my list that I was kinda surprised are still available.

Final Roster:
PG: Jason Kidd
SG: Mitch Richmond
SF: Corey Maggette
PF: Al Horford
C: Ralph Sampson

SG/SF: Bonzi Wells
PF/C:
PG/SG: Jamal Crawford
C: Eddy Curry
PG/SF: Julian Wright
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Old 09-12-2008, 10:58 PM   #15711
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ROUND 10, PICK 390

DANNY FORTSON







OK - in short...Fortson is one of the most underrated rebounders of this era imo. Yes. Seriously. Hes also a mean muthrfukr. Good teammate. Always carries a shank in his pocket. But hes also happy to see you. Walks with a limp. Has never injured either of his legs. Known for his Tenacious D. Has no idea what the Pic of Destiny is. He gets his hair braided by the same chick who does Lil Bow Wows hair. Her name is Shaniqua. Has hit three career 3-pointers. Go-to-guy when down by 3 with 1 second left in the game. Why not? Anythings possible.

Career Stats:

Who cares - the guy could rebound like a man possessed.

Random Numbers:

Per 36 Minutes: 15 ppg, 13 rbg
Career 27% DRB, 20% TRB
Career 16.2 PER, topping off at 24.4 and 20.1 PER.


Starters:
PG Chris Paul
SG RIP
SF Terry Cummings
PF Vin Baker
C Theo Ratliff

Bench:
PG Avery Johnson
SG Isaiah Rider
SF Chuck Person
PF Frank Brickowski
PF Danny Fortson


Alex is on the clock...
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Old 09-12-2008, 11:08 PM   #15712
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I PMed Alex btw.
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Old 09-13-2008, 01:15 AM   #15713
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Love the Danny Fortson pick because I love guys who rebound. He was a man possessed there for a while and is some nice value at this point IMO. I almost grabbed him in the 9th as my backup center but I wanted some more size/defense.
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Old 09-13-2008, 10:09 AM   #15714
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Clark,

http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums...d.php?t=270068

Prosportsdaily is a horrible forum but since you claimed you'd find an equal to Posey in the last round you should appreciate that there are some folk out there who may just reckon you were right.
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Old 09-14-2008, 01:29 AM   #15715
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24 hour rule:

Round 10: Pick 391 - KURT RAMBIS - F



I'm taking Kurt Rambis, one of the consummate bench players. He never played a ton of minutes, but managed to make contributions when called upon. I also really like the fact that he played well into his 30's, and his numbers remained consistent no matter what team he played for.

Stats (Per 36 Min)

10.2 PTS / .573 TS / 11.0 Reb / 2.1 AST / 1.7 STL / 1.0 BLK / 109 ORTNG / 104 DRTNG

What I like most about Kurt is his rebounding. Adding him to a front line that includes Garnett, Laimbeer, Milsap, and Campbell would be quite formidable on the glass.

Proposed Lineup:

Starters:

PG - Jeff Hornacek
SG - Bobby Phils
SF - Mike Miller
PF - Kevin Garnett
C - Bill Laimbeer
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Bench

PG - Darrell Armstrong
SG - Stephen Jackson
SF - Kurt Rambis
PF - Paul Milsap
C - Elden Campbell
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Old 09-14-2008, 01:46 AM   #15716
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I seriously considered Rambis as well. I just decided to gambooool with my last pick on a guy with no established career trajectory.
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Old 09-15-2008, 10:19 AM   #15717
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I like rambis alot-i considered him a while ago if I didn't get my token white guy.the glasses are sick. How can you not post the youtube of the clothesline though? You need to hit that up! Also, everyone else has done a great job w the final round.
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Old 09-15-2008, 11:52 AM   #15718
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I like rambis alot-i considered him a while ago if I didn't get my token white guy.the glasses are sick.
How could I forget? I'm slippin'

Anger supercedes pain for Rambis.... he's a bad mofo!
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Old 09-15-2008, 02:15 PM   #15719
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Old 09-15-2008, 03:09 PM   #15720
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nice, this league isn't complete without kurt rambis
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Old 09-16-2008, 02:59 AM   #15721
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haha, he's good for a clothesline if needed - team player
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Old 09-16-2008, 06:50 AM   #15722
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Just wanted to provide a clearer look at how I plan on using my team:
PG - Terrell Brandon (5'11), Micheal Williams (6'2)
SG - Andrew Toney (6'3), Danny Ainge (6'4)
SF - Eddie Jones (6'6), Bryon Russell (6'7)
PF - Derrick Coleman (6'10), Nene (6'11)
C - Shaquille O'Neal (7'1), Manute Bol (7'6)

For the regular season, I expect these players to miss some time:
Terrell Brandon will likely miss 10 to 14 games.
Micheal Williams will likely miss 8 to 10 games.
Derrick Coleman will likely miss 15 to 20 games.*
Nene is a question mark; I'll peg him to miss 10 games, but with him it's either miss all or nearly all the season OR play all 82 games.
Shaq will likely miss 15 to 20 games, similar to DC.

I expect these players to play all (or nearly all, like 80+ games)
Andrew Toney, Danny Ainge, Eddie Jones, Bryon Russell, Manute Bol**.

*DC, like Shaq, take time off the regular season and generally sit at the slightest degree of pain. This is fine for me, as I don't want to exhaust them in the regular season: It's all about the playoffs, Baby.
**Manute should be expected to play all 82 games under the condition it's limited mpg, as even with his odd body type, he never really got hurt, but that is also because he never took a beating consistently.

Of course I hope these injuries don't happen all at once, because if I miss Nene for a season and Shaq breaks his foot resulting in 4-6 weeks of no Diesel, then it looks like my front court is remarkably shallow. In any event:

If my PGs miss time, the plan is to shore up backup duty to either/or Toney or Ainge, since they both can defend and play the point. (Toney is a natural combo guard, and as long as Ainge is the other guard with him, cross-matching shouldn't be an issue). If have to play a 3 bigman rotation, I'll end up moving Bryon to the 4 and play a small lineup at the ends of quarters. It would look something like Bigman 1, 36mpg; Bigman 2, 36 mpg; Manute ~14 mpg, small lineup ~10mpg.

The "natural" order of things will be: (This is assuming health, and likely the string of minutes during a playoff push)
Terrell Brandon, 32 mpg @ the point.
Eddie Jones, 22 mpg @ the 2, 16 mpg @ the 3.
Bryon Russell, 30 mpg @ the 3, 2 mpg @ the 4. Not expecting to need a small lineup more than those 2 minutes.
Derrick Coleman, 32 mpg @ the 4. His minutes will be the steadiest since I never envision him playing anything other than the 4.
Shaq, 36 mpg @ the 5, 2 mpg @ the 4. Same deal here, minutes are up in the playoffs, and I need my best player on the floor to the utmost degree. The times he's at the 4 is the VERY rare time Manute is on the court with him - for pure defensive purposes I envision this happening during critical stops.

Backups:
Micheal Williams, 10 mpg @ the point, 2 mpg @ the 2. (When I go small w/ an emphasis on 3point shooting) I'd like to give him more burn, but my team just doesn't permit this.
Danny Ainge, 6 mpg @ the point, 24 mpg @ the 2, 2 @ the 3. (Same small ball approach) He is my 6th man, obviously.
Andrew Toney, at this point I don't think he's in my 8 man playoff rotation. More on this later.
Nene, 12 @ the 4, 10 @ the 5. All those backup 4/5 mins are going to him.
Manute, 2 @ the 5, basically a 8 man rotation but Manute will have those defensive sequences where his time is needed.

I like how my team came together. From the onset I stressed balance, and it looks like my starting 5 is one of the best offenses in the league, and a top third defensive team. When I need to switch gears, I have the flexibility to go small; I can focus on defense and put an all-d team out there; and I also have 3pt shooting from numerous positions. My guys draw a LOT of fouls (more than any other team, largely thanks to Shaq) and we also rebound well. Outside of DC, I don't have any bad lemons in the lockerroom, so I hope the alpha-male Shaq will keep DC in line.

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I think my worst pick was Derrick Coleman. Everyone ragged on me when I took him, and I can see why they're right. Even though he is ultra talented, the fact he's injury prone, a headcase, and not that efficient hurts the rest of my guys. (Especially since I don't need DC as a primary scorer; he'll likely be my 3rd leading scorer after Shaq and EJ, but Terrell, Toney, and Ainge can all light it up, so I'd rather they take the shots he's going to take) DC is a good defender, but nothing special; he's a good rebounder, but nothing special; I think I had better choices. Here are some guys I passed up (that would be better fits) in favor of DC: Charles Oakley, Brad Miller, PJ Brown.

My other pick that I doubt (now that my team has come together) was Andrew Toney. I love his talent and game, but his value is more realized on a team that lacks scoring. He's a combo guard that can't shoot 3s, a Monta Ellis type before Monta Ellis. As you can see from my rotation, he gets squeezed out in the playoffs since I need to pair him with Ainge if he plays the 2, he's not really a natural 1 and I'd rather give Micheal or Terrell those PG mins. Since my 2s and 3s are the healthiest on my team, and I have a backup PG already, I probably could've gone after a backup big.

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My best pick was Eddie Jones. Shaq was an obvious pick (although I did consider LeBron briefly) and I think he'll payoff. With him on my squad I truly could contend for the championship. In any event, I wanted to emulate the Laker teams, so I needed my Kobe: A 2 or 3 who could play lockdown defense, take over games, and score in multiple ways. Eddie Jones was a very underappreciated player, and although he's obviously not Kobe, he was the best I could manage. I strongly considered Ron Artest and Sidney Moncrief, as well, since I wanted a #2 scorer who could play incredible D, but Artest's low efficiency and psychoness scared me off, and Moncrief's lack of outside shooting and health problems led me to take EJ.

The other pick I really liked was Bryon Russell. I got him after "high profile" glue guys were taken (the Posey model) and not only did he fill the requisite Jazz player slot on my team, but he's a positive team lockerroom guy and a poor man's EJ. The fact I have 2 top notch perimeter defenders was important to me, especially a guy that could stretch the D. At the time I thought this perhaps was too similar to EJ, but now I'm happy I pulled the trigger as 2 of those types are NEEDED for a winning team.

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The major question mark for my team is health. Not every team is perfect, and my imperfection rests with Shaq's foot, DC's head, and Nene's balls. If things go right and they're able to play 100%, I think I have a championship team. If not, my team will not be successful. Teams that have the best chance to beat me are those teams that have a tall PG. Sounds weird, but it would force me to not use Tee Bee, and play EJ at the 2 more often. This would stretch my team's depth, since EJ is counted on playing a bunch of 3 minutes. I don't think a dynamic wing player will be able to dominate (outside of Micheal Jordan, for instance) since I have lockdown perimeter defense and excellent help defense. Same deal with post presence - I don't expect anyone to push my wide bodied guys out of the lane. The other teams that should do decently are fast paced running teams that will make Shaq tired. If I am forced to adjust to them, I could see them getting the best of me.

The teams I would exploit the most are those that only have 1 (or none!) solid bigman. Shaq and DC draw an INORDINATE amount of fouls, and since both can score in loads, it's possible to just keep running plays for them. This may sound strange given I say small teams may have the best chance vs me.

Anyway, I enjoyed this draft very much, and appreciate any comments.
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Old 09-16-2008, 01:00 PM   #15723
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So I was thinking about the best all white team, and here are some thoughts:
If one was to make this team, it probably would be based around Bird or Stockton. I'm not sure if we count Kidd, but if you're going point, makes sense to build Stockton anyway. Nowitzki and Nash were the other two white guys drafted in the first round. To make matters simple, I am going to base the team around Dirk, since I like Nath's draft position better than Kidcolin.

So, going to list who I'd draft in Nath's spot if my goal was an all white team, and also include the other white players picked that round.
Round 1 - Dirk Nowitzki PF *This was Dtemp's initial pick (Bird, Stockton, Kidd, Nash)
Round 2 - Chris Mullin SF (Gasol, Daughtery, Peja, Divac)
Round 3 - Jose Calderon PG *Nath actually drafted Calderon in this spot too (Kiki, Detlef, Chambers, Sabonis, Biedrins, Eaton, Hornacek, Kirilenko, Petrovic, Brad Miller)
Round 4 - Dan Majerle SG/SF *Funny enough, he actually drafted Thunder Dan too! Hmm, a pattern is emerging. (Big Z, Smits, Mike Miller, Kukoc, Brent Barry, Kaman)
Round 5 - Andrew Bogut C (Rony Seikaly, Hinrich, Okur, Turkoglu, Ainge, Ruland, Laettner)
Round 6 - David Lee PF/C *Here we're trading 1 spot up, not too much to ask IMO (Gminkski, Korver)
Round 7 - Keith Van Horn SF/PF *Here we have to reach into the next round, albeit first pick (Paxson, Gugliotta, Raef, Dunleavy, Foster)
Round 8 - Sarunas Marciulionis SG (Kapono, Skiles, Brickowski, Harpring, Scola, Ostertag, Murphy)
Round 9 - Steve Kerr PG *Nath actually picked Steve Kerr here as well! (Nesterovic, Varejao, Sasha, Perdue, Bradley, Jon Barry, Stiponovich)
Round 10 - ? (Bonner, Nocioni, Piatkowski,...)

Team:
PG - Jose Calderon, Steve Kerr
SG - Sarunas Marciulionis
SG/SF - Chris Mullin, Dan Majerle
SF/PF - Keith Van Horn
PF - Dirk Nowitzki
PF/C - David Lee
C - Andrew Bogut

Last pick probably would go towards a big... Prolly a Todd MacCulloch or something. This team has sick outside shooting between Calderon, Kerr, Sarunas, Mullin, Majerle, Van Horn, and Dirk... Defense is ok, rebounding is solid, passing is very good.
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Old 09-16-2008, 03:04 PM   #15724
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On top of that I would have taken Mullin in round 2 had I been drafting the team at the time. My White Power All-Stars would have been unstoppable!
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Old 09-18-2008, 03:23 AM   #15725
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