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Old 09-07-2008, 11:01 AM   #15676
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Re: Modern Era NBA Build a Franchise Draft Discussion - Let's Get'er Done

Round 10, Pick 377: PG Robert Pack



Robert Pack is another guard who can run the fast break and throw it down (2nd in 1994 Slam Dunk contest). Pack showed some promise in Denver and Washington, but injuries derailed his career. Pack had a 13-year career with a career AST% Of 35.4% (21st all-time).

Pack probably won't get much playing time for me since I can slide Brent Barry to point, but he gives me another option at PG if KJ needs a spell or is injured.

Stats: http://www.basketball-reference.com/.../packro01.html

Write-up: http://www.bulletsforever.com/2008/8...-robert-pack-a



Starters:
PG Kevin Johnson
SG Brent Barry
SF Dominique Wilkins
PF Brian Grant
C Andris Biedrins

Bench:
PG Robert Pack
SG Jon Barry
SF Jamario Moon
PF/C Michael Cage
PF/C Brandan Wright
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Old 09-07-2008, 12:13 PM   #15677
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Yeah, I'm biding my time until my pick (like 10 away? :/ ) Got to say, NPP's team really impresses me, after the Bynum pick I thought his goose was cooked but he has a v strong team.
If I had to do it over again, I would have changed 2 picks.

nance instead of bynum

Mark Eaton over Tom chamber


Insta top 5 team after those 2 changes ?
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Old 09-07-2008, 08:15 PM   #15678
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I was thinking about players who are hardest to judge in this format, and Damon Stoudemire came to mind as one of the most difficult. He was a very good playmaker (albeit still an inefficient scorer) up until he came to Portland, discovered that sweet, sweet Northwest sticky green, and then he was never the same player again.

He came to Portland when he was 24. Anyone think Cobra has a case that Damon would have retained his high level of play if it weren't for that impossibly great Oregon weed?
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Old 09-08-2008, 02:27 AM   #15679
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If I had to do it over again, I would have changed 2 picks.

nance instead of bynum

Mark Eaton over Tom chamber


Insta top 5 team after those 2 changes ?
Yes, without a doubt
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Old 09-08-2008, 10:09 AM   #15680
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If I had to do it over again, I would have changed 2 picks.

nance instead of bynum

Mark Eaton over Tom chamber


Insta top 5 team after those 2 changes ?
Yes to the first, but I can think of a few players who are better than Eaton in that spot.

Pack and Rauf - It's interesting that a couple of the 1994 Nugs just went. Pack was a fun player to watch, but the guy tried to do way too much when he had the ball. Rauf was pretty decent and one of the quickest players in the draft, but unfortunately his religious stance cut his career short. I do commend him for sticking to his guns, though.
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Old 09-08-2008, 11:10 AM   #15681
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Yes to the first, but I can think of a few players who are better than Eaton in that spot.

Pack and Rauf - It's interesting that a couple of the 1994 Nugs just went. Pack was a fun player to watch, but the guy tried to do way too much when he had the ball. Rauf was pretty decent and one of the quickest players in the draft, but unfortunately his religious stance cut his career short. I do commend him for sticking to his guns, though.
I dont think so tim.

The only other guy comparible to eaton defensively is sabonis and you dont get the longevity and the blocked shots.

Eaton gives you 9 strong years of 80 games per season. Where he was the best defensive center in the league.

Yes there were better player available, but for a big man center with defense being the main concern eaton would be the best pick for me. Especially after having Wade and Nance, I wouldnt need much more offense from my center spot.

I usually feel like having a combo at your big man spot (PF, C ) is the most efficient way to go. If your Pf is a scorer you go with a defending center or vise versa.

Oakley, Ewing. Malone, Eaton. Im sure there are many more examples of this combo being effective I dont wanna look it up and those are the ones that came to mind.
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Old 09-08-2008, 04:36 PM   #15682
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It's been over 48 hours so both Nicholas and Victor are skipped.

I am taking Daniel Gibson, will make a small write up coming in a sec
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Old 09-08-2008, 04:44 PM   #15683
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Daniel Gibson

Gibson is a great 3pt shooter who can also play the type of PG I want aka bring the ball up and give the ball to one of my playmaking stars and sit back behind the 3pt line and drain shots. And he can drain shots alright, he's only 21 years old and in his 2 NBA seasons he has shot .419 and .440 from 3 pt range, and he takes a ton too with 4.5 and 5.5 attempts.

He also has a very good floater and can get into the lane as well. His defense is pretty average, maybe slightly above average i'm not really sure. With Gibson, I now feature 5 very good/great 3pt shooters in Billups, Kevin Martin, Raja Bell, Al Harringon and Gibson. Infact my only PG/SG/SF who can't shoot the 3 very well is Luol Deng, so floor spacing will be very good on my team and we will make it rain. And driving to the hoop/posting up will be a lot easier, especially since I also have a ton of those people as well.

Team so far:

Starters:

C: Kendrick Perkins
PF: Kevin McHale
SF: Luol Deng
SG: Raja Bell
PG: Chauncey Billups

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SG: Kevin Martin
SF/PF: Al Harrington
PF/C: Andray Blatche
PG: Daniel Gibson
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Old 09-08-2008, 05:07 PM   #15684
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some guys I feel like have been picked multiple times already.

every guy Epip is unsure about defensivley: average to above average

i've liked most of the recent picks, especially Pack.
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Old 09-08-2008, 10:56 PM   #15685
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His defense is pretty average, maybe slightly above average i'm not really sure.
hes a defensive liability bc of his size and lack of point guard skills. he is quick and can make steals.
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Old 09-08-2008, 10:57 PM   #15686
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ur up Victor. well already passed.
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Old 09-08-2008, 10:58 PM   #15687
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also, there is absolutely no reason for me to be skipped. i got a pm at 1030 this morning. you drafted 6 hrs after it was my turn.

epipen, you are a dirty cheating scumbag.
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Old 09-08-2008, 11:01 PM   #15688
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also, there is absolutely no reason for me to be skipped. i got a pm at 1030 this morning. you drafted 6 hrs after it was my turn.

epipen, you are a dirty cheating scumbag.
I pmed you but it's not my job too, the guy before you already picked 48 hours before Epi did. Were you going to take Gibson?
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Old 09-08-2008, 11:07 PM   #15689
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well i need a 3 point shooter and im a huge cavs homer. whatever, ill take george mcloud. i think he made some 3 pointers.
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Old 09-09-2008, 12:59 AM   #15690
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also, there is absolutely no reason for me to be skipped. i got a pm at 1030 this morning. you drafted 6 hrs after it was my turn.

epipen, you are a dirty cheating scumbag.
lol wtf how did i cheat, it was over 48 hours, the first 24 hours the person before u was skipped and 24 hours, not 6 hours, later u were skipped too.

And I didn't even do it at the deadline of u being skipped, I did it like 30-45 min after. Sorry u didnt get Gibson since judging from ur posts u clearly wanted him.
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Old 09-09-2008, 05:07 AM   #15691
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I love 3pters
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Old 09-09-2008, 01:36 PM   #15692
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make it rain
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Old 09-10-2008, 12:20 PM   #15693
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I'm taking Sean Williams

gogogo Clark / capone0 / Bobbo
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Old 09-10-2008, 08:07 PM   #15694
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Im curious to find out what effect the usage percentages are going to have in this league. This is really fun to play around with the 4-10th round guys.

For example if you took someone who has better numbers than a similar player, but the other play has lower usage%, this should weigh in heavily in the player comparison. After your first couple picks you really cant afford a lot of high USG% guys because there is only 1 basketball.

For this reason I think the all around guys need to get more love in this league. A guy like dennis rodman comes to mind. I think having him as your 1st pick gives you a lot of flexability to build your team around.

Another reason why I love the rodman team so much, and is in my top 5. They a lot of players who do all the entagables to win ball games. As opposed to just throwing out 5 talented guys out there.

Reggie miller is also unique in the fact that I dont think he is going to be shut down or tamed by good defenders. Compared to players like kobe,mcrady,wade. Where putting a guy like bowen battier or bell isnt really gonna hurt reggie because his form of scoring involves almost 0 dribbling.
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Old 09-10-2008, 09:06 PM   #15695
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as soon as capone nails his pick, im ready to roll!
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Old 09-10-2008, 09:10 PM   #15696
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I'm ready waiting for Clark.
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Old 09-11-2008, 01:17 AM   #15697
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Capone is taking Kelvin Cato.

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So I'm up...

Round #10/ Pick 385 via Nath Manute Bol


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSBLUjgVllU
(that youtube demonstrates possibly the best individual defensive performance I've ever witnessed online)

Manute Bol is the son of a Dinka tribal chief, who gave him the name "Manute," which means "special blessing." And Manute is the special blessing for my team. (Yay corny) Manute Bol also holds the distinction as the only player in NBA history to block more shots than he has made, blocking 2,000 shots without also scoring at least 4,000 points. Finally, Manute will be such a positive in the lockerroom, since he has a strong sense of humor (including many pranks with Charles Barkley) as well as displaying a strong charitable side. (He donated most of what he made in the NBA to Sudanese-help funds) So, with this pick I'm getting a strong lockerroom presence, a 1-dimensional player who should help me in limited minutes, and get a guy who doesn't mind sitting on the pine. I'm going to do what I've done with Manute Bol that I've done with everyone else: List accomplishments, show stats, and explain his role.

Team BobboFitos
PG - Terrell Brandon (5'11), Micheal Williams (6'2)
SG - Andrew Toney (6'3), Danny Ainge (6'4)
SF - Eddie Jones (6'6), Bryon Russell (6'7)
PF - Derrick Coleman (6'10), Nene (6'11)
C - Shaquille O'Neal (7'1), Manute Bol (7'6)

Manute Bol was a 7'6/200 lbs. C from Sudan originally, but played for the University of Bridgeport. (Go CT/lol @ height per weight ratio) Manute played for 10 years, with the Bullets, Warriors, Sixers and Heat. Manute Bol made the All-Defensive 2nd team his first year in the league as a 23 yr old.

Manute's first year was, as mentioned above, his best defensively. I don't get this, but I get everything beyond it. That year he played all but 2 games, had an unheralded 10.6 BLK% (no one is even close to his career 10.2 BLK% career mark, for the record - Shawn Bradley is #2 @ 7.83%) and a 99 DRtg. Manute's main strength (as mentioned below) will be his weakside help defense, especially paired with 1 of my other 3 bigmen, who are all VERY strong and capable of taking the more difficult post defensive position. (Nene, DC, and Shaq define "wide-bodied"). Manute never played starters minutes (peaked @ 26.1 a game his rookie season, career played 18.7 mpg) and I expect him to get no more than 10 mpg for purely defensive purposes. Finally, Manute posted a career 9.4 PER, his first few seasons all around the double digit mark (11.2, 10.9, 10.9, 9.8) and his ORtg matching his futility. (Career 87, I don't think I've ever seen anyone else with negative offensive win shares)

Manute actually was able to stay healthy for a while (rheumatism apparently ended his career, which basically involves swelling and arthritis) and played 80, 82, 77, 80, 75, 82, and 71 games - through the age of 29. After that, he played 58, 14, and 5 games, which signaled the end of his career. Since I don't expect Manute to play more than double digit minutes per year, I expect him to maintain those game totals with me. Also, he never suffered a major injury, RATHER, it was the medical condition which resulted in pain only years into his career, so I don't feel he's injury prone. (But his career is medium length, not long)

Defensively, Manute is a tall but lean center. As noted above, he will be playing in sets when I need a stop, and when my guards cant stop penetration so I can put in the best shot blocker of all time to set things straight. Manute will NOT steal/force TOs; he WILL foul alot (but this is moot since he has limited minutes); but he WILL stop penetration. Just for a tangible stat, per 36 mins Manute gets 6.4 blocks a game. As a 24 and 26 yr old, he blocked 7 per 36... Which is often better than most teams average per 48. Lastly, his teams defended well even though they weren't good (or even average) teams - but his 103 career DRtg suggested his mere presence helped limit opponent points while he was in the game.

Offensively, Manute is a net negative. He was not a strong offensive rebounder even though he was the tallest on the court (not even 2 ORbp36), he had a terrible TS% (.441 as a bigman is a joke, his BEST was as a 24 yr old peaking at .482) and he never drew fouls. (.6 per game, where he shot poorly - a Shaqlike 56.1%). That said, he did have a niche as a big man who COULD shoot 3s. Strangely, I envision giving Manute crunch time minutes in the final play when I have my 3ball lineup out there. He shot 21% from 3-land, but the fact that he's so tall and I can always get a shot off from him means I have some flexibility. One nice keynote is Manute had such a low usage (7.9% career) that he never really turned the ball over (.7 per game) so when he's in, he won't ever give me boards, but atleast he wont give my opponents more possessions.

Going back to my overall philosophy (balance) I think Manute at this spot rounds off my team by providing a defense-first bigman off the bench who in rare moments can hit a 3ball. I'm not expecting Manute to play major minutes or do anything other then block shots, so I see him succeeding in that role. Thus rounds out my team!

Some final notes, for a defense-first team, in spurts I can put out:
C - Manute Bol
PF - Shaq or Nene
SF - Bryon Russell
SG - Eddie Jones
PG - Danny Ainge

Good luck scoring on that bunch! And, for a late "need a 3pter" I can put out:
C - Manute Bol (21% 3s)
PF - Bryon Russell (37% on 3s)
SF - Eddie Jones (37% on 3s)
SG - Danny Ainge (38% on 3s)
PG - Terrell Brandon (36% on 3s)

flyingmoose you are on the clock!
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Old 09-11-2008, 01:19 AM   #15698
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Round 10, Pick 383

Rick Fox, SF

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...f/foxri01.html

Like everyone think about their picks here, I think I got great value. Guy is a versatile backup who can play D and is reasonably efficient for a multi-dimensional guy at this stage in the game. Can create turnovers, play several positions, and really gives me just tons of lineup options. Plus, he's hawt!







PG: Mookie Blaylock, Mo Williams
SG: Alan Houston, Del Curry
SF: Caron Butler, Rick Fox
PF: Larry Nance, Udonis Haslem
C: Patrick Ewing, Will Perdue
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Old 09-11-2008, 03:25 AM   #15699
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Nice, Bol was one of the guys I considered with my pick.
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Old 09-11-2008, 05:23 AM   #15700
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Manute Bol was such an awesome dude. My favorite part about that play was Muggsey's celebrating in the middle of the play.. pure awesomeness.

Also very happy that Bobbo didn't take my guy.
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