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Old 08-28-2008, 02:57 PM   #15601
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Back when we first started I was thinking "Conley would be a nice upside guy in the 10th round."
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Old 08-28-2008, 02:58 PM   #15602
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your team is interesting epine. Replacing McHale with someone better would have put you in the top 5 IMO.
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Old 08-28-2008, 03:08 PM   #15603
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apparently Tisdale had half his right leg amputated recently. Bad news for JoA. Amputation risk is off the charts.
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Old 08-28-2008, 04:24 PM   #15604
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After the draft is done I'm going to go through each team and give my thoughts on best pick, worst pick, strengths, weaknesses, etc.

I think it'd be kinda cool if we all kinda commented on one team at a time. I'm not sure if I'll be able to post a writeup every single day, but I should get at least 4 or 5 per week. Of course everyone is free to talk about any team at any time, but I think it'd be kinda cool to go through each and every team one at a time.
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Old 08-28-2008, 05:19 PM   #15605
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Assani,

I agree, very good idea.
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Old 08-28-2008, 05:31 PM   #15606
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After the draft is done I'm going to go through each team and give my thoughts on best pick, worst pick, strengths, weaknesses, etc.

I think it'd be kinda cool if we all kinda commented on one team at a time. I'm not sure if I'll be able to post a writeup every single day, but I should get at least 4 or 5 per week. Of course everyone is free to talk about any team at any time, but I think it'd be kinda cool to go through each and every team one at a time.
I think this would be a great idea.
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Old 08-28-2008, 06:20 PM   #15607
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i agree w/ assani
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Old 08-28-2008, 11:01 PM   #15608
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Since the draft is already over for some people, I may just start tonight. I'll start with KLJ and just go in order.
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Old 08-28-2008, 11:03 PM   #15609
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And since not everyone is checking the thread as much as they used to, I'll give it some time for everyone else to comment on KLJ's team(and on my thoughts on it) before moving onto the next team. Once discussion seems to have died down then I'll move on.
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Old 08-28-2008, 11:29 PM   #15610
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KLJ's Team

Vince Carter
Sidney Moncrief
Antonio McDyess
Mark Eaton
Kenny Smith
Joe Barry Carroll
Eddie Johnson
Sarunas Marciulionis
Clark Kellogg
Larry Hughes


Best Pick
Sideny Moncrief, and I don't think its close. While you don't get a ton of longevity here, SM is one of the best defensive wings in the draft and an efficient bulk scorer. What else can you ask for? Funny enough, I'd prefer Moncrief over his first round pick, Vince Carter. The fact that he traded down and still got Moncrief might just be the best move of the entire draft imo.

Worst Pick
Let me be clear that I think it was bad luck and not necessarily bad drafting, but I'm going with Vince Carter here. The fact that Paul Pierce went one pick ahead of him makes this pick look very bad imo since PP is miles ahead of VC. Vince's bulk stats are decent, but I think we all know that hes simply not the #1 piece to build a champion around in real life, yet alone in this league. The lack of efficiency, marginal D, and at times questions about his effort hurt. As I said though, I just think it was a crappy spot to draft out of, as he missed out on all of the superstars.

Team Offense
Not a huge fan of the fit here. Seems like you have a lot of one-on-one players who aren't overly efficient(Vince, McDyess, JBC, Johnson). And while Smith is a decent PG, hes not a great creator by any means. I think this team will be forced to play a lot of one-on-one. When shots are falling they can compete, but I can see them having some really poor nights when they aren't. I'm guessing that they are going to be a half court/slow paced type team, which is odd when you pick Vince first, but I'm not sure if I see them able to run a ton.

Team Defense
Defensively I like this team when healthy. I think Moncrief can lock down the perimeter, Eaton can step up to block shots, McDyess is solid. I think that can make them a top 10 defensive team in this league.

Depth
To be honest, KLJ drafted a lot of guys in the mid/late rounds that I'm not too familiar with, so I'll let others comment more here.

Upside
I just don't see championship upside with this team. Upside imo would be to make the playoffs(assuming 16 teams make it like in real NBA) and to win a first round series imo. That includes both right away and for the future.

Downside
I think their D will keep them respectable, so unless injuries hit I don't think they'll be the worst team in the league by any stretch. However, I could see some tough years particularly if injuries hit(which are a concern for sure with this team).

What could've been
Could've been the top defensive team in the league by going:

Ben Wallace
Sidney Moncrief
Ron Artest
Charles Oakley
Kenny Smith
Bruce Bowen

with your first 6 picks. Not necessarily saying that'd be the best possible team, but its an interesting "what if" for sure.
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Old 08-29-2008, 02:55 AM   #15611
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Pretty much spot on analysis by Assani there. I haven't given a full look to all the teams yet but I have an awfully hard time seeing KLJ finishing in the top 16.

As for your picks, I'll agree with Assani that your pick of Moncrief was a tremendous pick and the pick of Carter was poor in retrospect. You were in a very difficult position though with the last pick in the first round and looking at the draft board, you probably should have gone with a big (Bosh, Gasol, Ben Wallace, Larry Nance) in that spot.

Overall, I don't think KLJ is the worst team in the league but I do think he's probably going to end up in the bottom 1/3 or so and a lot of that is just the luck of the dice of being forced to have the worst first round pick.

Also, how would Assani or whomever feel about putting the team writeups in their own thread? Not a new thread for each writeup but just a new thread that contains all the writeups seems like it would be helpful/more organized IMO.
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Old 08-29-2008, 09:50 AM   #15612
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Also, how would Assani or whomever feel about putting the team writeups in their own thread? Not a new thread for each writeup but just a new thread that contains all the writeups seems like it would be helpful/more organized IMO.
I think this is an awesome idea, but I'll add to it. Perhaps we should have everyone PM Assani once they've made their last pick, with their "vision" of how the team will be run... with strengths, weaknesses, etc.. Assani can post them when he sees fit.

how 'bout it?
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Old 08-29-2008, 10:16 AM   #15613
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im w/ seadood
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Old 08-29-2008, 10:26 AM   #15614
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If I had to re-do KLJ's draft I would have done the following:

Bosh
Moncrief
Ron Artest
Cassell

6th Man Childress or Gordon or Elliott
Foster

You would have 3 excellent scorers, an efficient scorer off the bench and a dirty man center. Cassell is horrible defensively but a great play maker. Foster / Ron / Moncrief make a sick defensive combination and as seen by the Olympics on a talented team Bosh can play well enough at the 4/5 defensively on stacked roster.

7th round I'd go with Tyrone Hill. Another dirty man in the post.
8th I'd go with Mario Elie.
9th Steve Kerr
10th Not Hughes ^^.
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Old 08-29-2008, 10:36 AM   #15615
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MeBenHoe.

I like how you started, although I'm still in the mold of going for Big Man then PG. So I'd go

Brand
Deron Williams

This would be a sick P+R combination for a long time.

Kiki is fine here, although I'd prefer Detlef/Artest. I think D is big and Kiki plays no D although is a rediculous scorer. With Brand / Deron you already have 2 near 20 ppg scorers, so I'd go with a defensive monster in Artest.

Now Mahorn is a really good pick here, and gives a sick front court. I'll stick with him.

Now with the 5th pick I'd want a guy who can score, defensively now we have 1 elite defender and 2 very good defenders. I'd prefer Mashburn to Laettner personally but I know you wanted former/current Hawks.

6th-Childress is fine here.
7th-Gilliam
8th-Armstrong
9th-Not sure
10th-Not Bonner
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Old 08-29-2008, 12:04 PM   #15616
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Fadi, Sammykid11, tbach, Xorbie can all pick right now although it's AC-Cobra's turn.
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Old 08-29-2008, 01:08 PM   #15617
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Pick is up along with brief team summary. Ill go into more dpeth when I havent got Finals all next week!
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Old 08-29-2008, 01:13 PM   #15618
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GOD DAMNIT FORGOT ABOUT NOCIONI. man what a terrific steal this late.
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Old 08-29-2008, 01:17 PM   #15619
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i think we should do a new thread for the evaluation of other teams. im sure some ppl not involved in the draft would make comments but they proly arent paying attention to this thread.

i would prefer a thread for every team but that might be overkill. at least go with an "official post draft evaluation" thread.
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Old 08-29-2008, 01:29 PM   #15620
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With my final selection, I am taking Rashad McCants. My team is now:

Baron Davis
David Wesley
Rashad McCants
Craig Ehlo
Reggie Lewis
Jerry Stackhouse
James Worthy
Chris Bosh
Jason Maxiell
Benoit Benjamin

First I'll just sum up the last two players taken. Maxiell is a very good weak side shot blocker and because he is very strong he is actually a fairly good on ball defender despite being pretty shorty. He's a homeless man's Ben Wallace on defense, but he actually has an offensive game. He can finish very strong around the basket and has good hands, and this year's playoffs showed he also had some touch on his jumper and could make some difficult turn around/fade away shots. Per 36, he average 13.3/8.8. His athleticism will help alot in an defense that may be caught gambling and on the offensive end when the fast break gets going.
Rashad McCants is only 24 now. At 22 he had a bad year with injuries, but last year he rebounded very well, showing a lot of improvement over his rookie year. According to 82games, McCants is the best player on the Twolves. This may say more about their ranking system than it does about McCants, but he was still a good player on a bad team. Both their offense and defense were improved with him on the court. He is a very efficient scorer (.550 TS this last year) and although he turns the ball over fairly often, he isn't worse than a lot of other high usage scorers (I would say he's better than Jerry Stackhouse for instance). He also gets a reasonable number of steals and a couple assists to make up for his TO. What he provides is a scoring spark off the break and he will also be the best 3pt shooter on this team, which will help spread out the offense a lot and will work well with the fast break.

The way I see it working is starting a line up of:

David Wesley
Baron Davis
Reggie Lewis
James Worthy
Chris Bosh

This line up gives up some size but makes up for it with speed. Decent shot blocking, a lot of steals will make up for getting pounded inside somewhat. Very good fast break team and can still run a half court offense very well because everyone can score and many can create offense. There is almost an offensive overkill on this line up, but I expect to open games up with a lot of energy, trying to simply score more than the other team, and then go to the bench often.

Rashad McCants will play the rest of the SG minutes, with McCants and Wesley playing around 30 minutes each while Baron plays 36. This way I have two capable ball handlers and on the court at all times. I'm going to want to have McCants/Ehlo play a lot together while Reggie Lewis/David Wesley play a lot together so that I always have a good mix of talents (passing, 3pt shooting, scoring), but since Lewis is playing 36 minutes a game with Ehlo taking the other 12, I'm going to have McCants and Lewis on a decent amount together.

I'll occasionally play Worthy at the SF if the other team is using a guy like Lamar Odom or Caron Butler there, but he'll be playing around 36 minutes a game at the PF, with Bosh taking the same as the C. The remaining 24 minutes are split between Benoit Benjamin and Jason Maxiell depending on the other line up (Benoit if I wanna go slower and they have more size, Maxiell if I can speed it up and run more).

So I'll often have a lineup like

Baron Davis
Rashad McCants
Craigh Ehlo
Chris Bosh
Jason Maxiell/Benoit Benjamin

or

David Wesley
Rashad McCants
Reggie Lewis
James Worthy
Benoit Benjamin/Jason Maxiell

Once Reggie Lewis goes I'll end up having Ehlo, McCants and Jerry Stackhouse all playing more minutes, which will suck, but I'll still have a lot of offensive punch on the starting line up.
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Old 08-29-2008, 01:30 PM   #15621
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Also I really like the Nocioni pick up this late.
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Old 08-29-2008, 01:52 PM   #15622
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Yeah, it's like, Nocioni, he's pretty decent, you might even be able to describe him as good. It took me half a dozen bref searches to find someone ever halfway decent that I can consider with my next pick, it's getting pretty scarce.
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Old 08-29-2008, 04:55 PM   #15623
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10th-Not Bonner
How can anyone argue against the awesomeness of Matt Bonner? I heard he beat Kevin McHale 1 on 1
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Old 08-29-2008, 05:41 PM   #15624
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How can anyone argue against the awesomeness of Matt Bonner? I heard he beat Kevin McHale 1 on 1
His brother Luke tried to bring back the hook shot. He failed.
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Old 08-30-2008, 07:24 AM   #15625
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I don't think big men are as valuable as all the emphasis that has been going into them. Good scoring guards that can play great dee are more valuble.

Big men cannot finish the game off strong, in the last minutes of a game you need a strong scoring guard or your gonna be in trouble such as the shaq team who is he gonna go to when yes down by 3 with 65 seconds to go in the game.

Scoring from the post was of high value in the days where guards didn't shoot 7-10 ftpg but now that gurads can draw even more fouls than big men do, they have lost a lot of their value.

Big men of today need to be given more value defensivley, averaging 3 bfg this year is the equivalent of 5bpg in the years pre 00 when.
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