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Originally Posted by NopairParker
michael jordan won 3 titles with basically no great 3 point shooters in the starting lineup the second time around.
You do not have to be a great shooter to score off of double teams. If you double team off of odom and he gets the ball, hes gonna either get to the hole easily or pass it to someone whos gonna be open.
For those of you who have never coached basketball your not understanding the way a double team works.
When you double team, the defeneses assignment is either to recover to your orginal man or rotate. So lets say larry bird doubles off of lamar odom on the strong side of the ball, odom will immediately cut to the basket if the weak side man doesnt recover to help then odom has a layup. If the weak side man does help he has an easy pass to who ever that man was guarding. So Glen rice will still get open looks even if you obviously dont double off of him directly, if anything it will help cover him better if you double off of him directly and have backside rotation so rice will have to make a pass which is one of his weaknesses. Now if instead of odom this cut was made by kwame brown than we have a different story, defense will allow him to try an score and most of the time he wont. This is why having we say hakeem has great help with his supporting cast there is no real weakness. Strickland is such a great passer and ball handler any space he gets its gonna create an easy look also.
The point being if you have good offensive players it makes it very difficult to double team. With the team he has you cannot double Olajuwon too often, and he has proven to torch any defender no matter how good if he isnt doubled.
That was a good point made about shaq getting a rule change because of his dominance.
Still you cannot be considered a top big man if your such a weakness on defense that opposing coaches run plays against you. do you not realize how bad this is. Another is his huge free throw shooting inefficiancy, you could basically take him out of the game in the 4th quarter by fouling him. Shaq could not ever be successfull without a dominant guard to help him.
Hakeem proved he could be dominant with no real help, robinson did to some degree.
Shaqs great fieldgoal percentage is a great plus, but everyone is getting hyped up about how dominating of a force he was and how he could just back his man down and down on them so easily. Basically the range of his shots is what makes people think they were any easier than a 8 foot jump hook by the dream. Comparing shaq going up for a dunk to hakeem taking a 8 foot jump hook is brought even closer together when you factor in shaq will get fouled purposely at least half the time and he will miss at least 1 free throw. Shaq is better offensively, i admit to that, but not far enough to make up for how far back he is on defense.
lol I know how basketball works. The thing is when you double off Odom, you also have strickland on the court as well, so the man who is covering him can guard both of them at the same time and just pick up whichever person who cuts. West will also be playing close to the basket, and Hakeem will be in the post as well, so the lane will already have 5 people in it (ur 2 guys plus my 3 from the double), then you add ur cutter+my guy who rotates and u suddenly have 7 people within a 5-7 foot area.
Of course he will score when I double, it's basketball, it just would be far more effective if he had great 3 pt shooters because not only can they shoot 3's, but most of them can cut to the basket also if they want.
There is a reason most of the great offensive teams of all time past 1990 were great 3pt shooting teams like the Suns, Mavs, Kings etc. Look at USA basketball a few years back, yes I realize its international ball, but it just shows putting a bunch of great players together who aren't good 3pt shooters doesn't work nearly as effectively.
And ur point about Jordan having no 3pt shooters is wrong. Jordan become a very good 3pt shooter the 2nd time around as was Pippen, and Kerr. Kukoc was also pretty good as well, so ur statement is false.
Again i'm sure BigChips will score on my team, just that my team will score more points on his than he would score on mine. If he had a bunch of good/elite 3pt shooters/defenders around Hakeem it would probably be a different story.
Last edited by EPiPeN11; 08-20-2008 at 10:16 AM.