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Old 07-11-2008, 11:56 AM   #15001
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wtf???...I PMed you like 2-3 hours ago...how can it take this long???....does it take that long to post a pic? cuz thats all you do anyway.
uhh.. 2-3 hours ago was like 4am in Cali dude. Give the guy a break. The last pick was 2 days ago. Not a shocker that Assani didn't PM him. I usually PM the next two but someone else PM'd assani for me (busy at work).
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Old 07-11-2008, 12:03 PM   #15002
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uhh.. 2-3 hours ago was like 4am in Cali dude. Give the guy a break. The last pick was 2 days ago. Not a shocker that Assani didn't PM him. I usually PM the next two but someone else PM'd assani for me (busy at work).
not that it really matters anymore...but he was actually online at that time, and even PMed me back saying his pick would be up soon. No big deal. I just thought he pulled a houdini and disappeared after that.
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Old 07-11-2008, 12:08 PM   #15003
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not that it really matters anymore...but he was actually online at that time, and even PMed me back saying his pick would be up soon. No big deal. I just thought he pulled a houdini and disappeared after that.
Nahh I was here I just had stuff to do at work to start the morning. I got it up as soon as I could.
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Old 07-11-2008, 12:09 PM   #15004
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Enough about Ricky Davis. From the guy who brought you The Spreadsheet, behold: The Team Comparer!

This is a simple program I wrote that inputs the data for everyone's team and allows you to easily compare teams and players. I figure now that we're getting towards the end, the talk will be less about the draft and more about how teams compare, and this should make it easy to do that. Should be pretty self explanatory, choose your teams at the top, then check which players stats you want to see and check what types of stats you want to see. Only downside is that I wrote it in C# so if you don't have .NET installed (standard with Vista, needs to be downloaded for XP), you won't be able to run it unless you download a massive file from Microsoft. I'll probably add some new features to it over the next few days, right now I'm planning on adding the ability to filter by years so you can easily see which teams peak at each times. Any other features you want added, let me know. Anyways, enjoy!
suggested features/improvements

- improve GUI - team and player select panes too narrow
- tally up team totals/avgs/etc when multiple players selected. Obv only for totals and per game.
- along the lines of your filter (or maybe as part of it), the ability to just display each player's career stats so you can see multiple players stats without scrolling
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Old 07-11-2008, 12:33 PM   #15005
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Nahh I was here I just had stuff to do at work to start the morning. I got it up as soon as I could.
2 hours or 2 minutes - its no biggie anymore since you have your pick up now...but when you initially took the 2 hours after our PM exchanges to actually make a pick (when you said your pick would be up shortly), I presumed you mightve taken off for the day, whatever. Its up, its up. Work is work. You gotta do what you gotta do. It is what it is. Its all good.....you get the idea. No biggie smalls junior mafia bones thug n harmony foxy brown lil kim nas escobar garth brooks mobb deep epmd mos.
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Old 07-11-2008, 12:39 PM   #15006
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Hopefully we can get a good run of picks in today, I have a safe pick and a facemelter lined up, so PLs let 1/2 of them be there.

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Old 07-11-2008, 12:40 PM   #15007
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Round 8, Pick 288: PG Muggsy Bogues



Let's get the negative out of the way first: Muggsy Bogues was tiny. He was listed at five-foot-three, which means he was about three-foot-five. His small size made it pretty hard to play defense. Despite a good steal percentage (13th all time), it's kind of hard to body up on guys or close out three-point shots when you're a foot shorter than everyone else. Also, being short tends to negatively affect your shooting ability. He his TS% is a paltry .506, and it stayed pretty consistent throughout his entire career.

Now for the positives. For someone who couldn't score too well, Muggsy was a good offensive player. He was "efficient" in ways many people don't think of. Muggsy Bogues is one of the best passers in NBA history. His AST% of 37% is 13th all time, and he's 16th all time in raw assists. As of right now he's in between Steve Nash and Kevin Johnson. He also never really turned the ball over. After all, it's hard to steal the ball when the guy you're guarding is so low to the ground. So while he himself could not score, many of his touches led to good things.

Muggsy adds a few valuable things to my lineup. While my team has many good passers (Porter/McKey/Robinson), Muggsy gives me a pass first player who adds another wrinkle to the offense. Muggsy also played forever, and wasn't injured too much, which for such a small guy is pretty amazing. Finally, he gives me a little more flexibility. I can throw out any number of crazy lineups to take advantage of a mismatch or keep up with any style of play. Most of my players can play in different roles, allowing me to adapt to my opponent or cover any injuries. I think that is one of the biggest luxuries anyboy can have in any sport.

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PG Terry Porter
SG Mark Aguirre
SF Derrick McKey
PF A.C. Green
C David Robinson

PG Muggsy Bogues
SF Kyle Korver
PF Wayman Tisdale
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Old 07-11-2008, 12:41 PM   #15008
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Shark -

To all the killas and the hundred dollar billas.

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Old 07-11-2008, 12:50 PM   #15009
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the fact he's 5'3" and has a positive WSAA for his career is impressive.
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Old 07-11-2008, 12:54 PM   #15010
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I like muggsy, Im pretty sure he's the alltime leader in career AST:TOV ratio. Its obvious that his height will be an issue, but how much more of an issue in this league v the NBA is tough to predict. There are some teams out there that he will be really exposed against, and others he should be fine. I think when he can be used, he'll be great, but he prob won't be able to play v some teams.

Also, he was referenced in season 3 of the wire, so that's another plus.

At this point, good value - he can be a backup/situational pg.
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Old 07-11-2008, 02:16 PM   #15011
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Pick will be up in within 30 minutes... Sorry just woke up.
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Old 07-11-2008, 02:30 PM   #15012
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I like muggsy, Im pretty sure he's the alltime leader in career AST:TOV ratio. Its obvious that his height will be an issue, but how much more of an issue in this league v the NBA is tough to predict. There are some teams out there that he will be really exposed against, and others he should be fine. I think when he can be used, he'll be great, but he prob won't be able to play v some teams.

Also, he was referenced in season 3 of the wire, so that's another plus.

At this point, good value - he can be a backup/situational pg.
He'll probably play about 10mpg most nights. I'm guessing I can hide him well enough as long as I keep Robinson/Green/McKey on the floor.
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Old 07-11-2008, 02:43 PM   #15013
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Pick is up, but I'm probably going to add to the writeup a bit.
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Old 07-11-2008, 02:46 PM   #15014
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Do you really think there is still great depth at the PG position in the draft? Most of the guys left have major problems especially low FG%/TS%, injuries, scoring, etc. Although the depth at most positions has gotten a lot more scarce. A lot of the picks lately have been fringe guys in this round in comparison to the last couple of rounds.
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Old 07-11-2008, 02:55 PM   #15015
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Round 8, Pick 289: PG Darrell Armstrong



Check out the play against the Bulls!

Stats (per 36 minutes)

13.9pts / .532 TS / .334 3PT% / 6.1 AST / 4.1 Rebs / 2.0 Stls / 2.8 TOs

Career PER 16.3

1999 Most Improved Player
1999 Six Man of the Year
Worst performance in the Slam Dunk competition

I'm taking Darrell Armstrong because he fills a few holes that I have with my current roster. With Jeff Hornacek being my starting PG, I feel that taking a true PG is pretty important at this point despite the relative depth still available at the position. I decided to go with Darrell Armstrong because he was very good on the break, and very good on defense. His defense is most important to me because I didn't that player who can guard "little guys" like chris Paul and AI. As a bonus, DA's relatively late start and late finish line up well with my team as Hornacek and Laimbeer have all played into their late 30s.

Having Darrell Armstrong in my lineup gives me the opportunity to create more mismatches on offense, and makes it very difficult for a team to do the same to me. With 3 6'11" guys of varying body types, I can have a lineup on the floor that will be able to defend most teams, and on offense I can go small or big depending on who my opponent puts out there.

I also like Darrell's production. His career 16+ PER is pretty good considering his relatively low usage, and the fact that he rebounds well for his position will hopefully make up for Stephen Jackson's shortcomings in that department. He was also an excellent FT shooter, to already add to my already excellent FT shooting team.

Strengths - Defense, hustle, fast breaks, rebounding, health.

Weaknesses - Low 3pt %, late start, TO's

My team so far:

Jeff Hornacek
Bobby Phills
Mike Miller
Kevin Garnett
Bill Laimbeer
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Stephen Jackson
Darrell Armstrong
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Old 07-11-2008, 02:56 PM   #15016
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yes I do. I also think PG depth isn't very important if you got a guy who can go 35mpg. You don't need a stud backups. Muggsy and DA are fine.. there are other plenty of fine dudes.

big man depth, otoh, is very important and it's shrinking... but I gots it.
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Old 07-11-2008, 02:57 PM   #15017
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Do you really think there is still great depth at the PG position in the draft? Most of the guys left have major problems especially low FG%/TS%, injuries, scoring, etc. Although the depth at most positions has gotten a lot more scarce. A lot of the picks lately have been fringe guys in this round in comparison to the last couple of rounds.
As Kidcolin mentioned earlier, backup PG is the position that is going to require the least amount of minutes, and there are plenty of PGs available that are more than capable of filling that need. I definitely wouldn't have gone PG had I taken a true PG as a starter.

[edit] When I said "earlier" I meant around 20 pages ago, not like two seconds ago.

I gots big man depth too!
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Old 07-11-2008, 02:59 PM   #15018
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plus plenty of people have combo-ish type deals. Cs won a ring without a true backup. If I get a sub-par backup, then Starks can handle it when needed.
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Old 07-11-2008, 03:02 PM   #15019
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I really like the Armstrong pick, a very good player at this stage of the draft. I think Seadood has the best bench so far.
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Old 07-11-2008, 03:10 PM   #15020
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Just read on wiki that in 2005, Armstrong was fined $1000 by the Mavs for grabbing the PA mic before a game in dallas and saying "how bout those redskins" b/c the skins beat the cowboys 35-7 earlier in the day.

I already loved Armstrong b/c I grew up a magic fan and remember his first season. He was like the 12th man scrub but came in late one game and had this crazy dunk that I swear was a 540. But the fact that he taunted cowboys fans makes me love him more b/c there is no team I hate more than Dallas.

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Old 07-11-2008, 03:15 PM   #15021
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problem with DA is that he didn't get going until about 5-6 seasons into his career.
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Old 07-11-2008, 03:19 PM   #15022
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Carr - What sticks out most is his production on a per minute basis. The dude could score and do it efficiently. His rebounding is pretty bad for a big man, but at this stage you can't have everything. Very good option off the bench imo.

Muggsy - Kinda like my dilemma with PGs, JOA also has a team with a very good (ok, excellent in JOA's case) combo guard running the show, and Muggsy is a great change of pace off the bench. He could be one of the best guards on the break, and gets enough steals create easy buckets on the other side of the court. I'll always Muggsy because he truly made the most of what was given to him, and was a great presence in the locker room. He played major minutes for some very good teams, which shows that whatever he lacked in height was made up in other departments.
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Old 07-11-2008, 03:26 PM   #15023
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problem with DA is that he didn't get going until about 5-6 seasons into his career.
Come on man, his first two seasons he had PERs of 40.2 and 30.2, on .563 and .622 TS! So what if he played 48 minutes those years

Seriously, your point is a good one, but I think my team has pretty much been built to win more late with Laimbeer, Horny, Armstrong, and Elden playing well into their late 30's. And no real injury problems (car accident excluded) on the rest of my team.
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Old 07-11-2008, 03:35 PM   #15024
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Nice pick of D Arm, I was looking at him for the 9th round. I was wondering if/when Muggsy would be drafted.
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Old 07-11-2008, 03:40 PM   #15025
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JOA has been slipping.

You can't post Muggsy as your pick without adding his highlight film. If this doesn't make you smile, I don't know what does.
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