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Old 07-09-2008, 11:50 AM   #14926
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Old 07-09-2008, 12:04 PM   #14927
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Old 07-09-2008, 12:41 PM   #14928
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I really like the Keith Van Horn pick. I watched tons of nets games from his rookie season onwards, and he was very impressive as a young player. I honestly thought he would end up being more of a stud than he did, as he had the right skill set to put up big numbers but he never really improved... still very good value at this point IMO and it's nice to have someone on your bench who will give you some instant offense.
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Old 07-09-2008, 01:35 PM   #14929
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Great thread....obviously haven't read all of it, but you should consider installing these teams into whatifsports.com, creating a private league and run out an 82 game season using each players' best season and see who comes out on top.

Would be awfully interesting...

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Old 07-09-2008, 01:48 PM   #14930
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Lasalle seems like good value here.

My love for Ricky Davis knows no bounds. Consider your faces melted.
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Old 07-09-2008, 01:58 PM   #14931
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Sort of speaks to the lack of bigmen left when lasalle and spider just got picked. BPA for their position no doubt, tho. The thing that sucks about lasalle though is that you miss his 22/23 seasons, which were probably his best.

I like KVH, I think he was BPA left.

Ricky Davis. I remember in Cleveland he had some insane-o dunk on a fast break where he almost took off from the FT line, destroyed some poor sap, and when he landed just screamed "OH SHT!" Thats all the nice things I have to say about him.

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Old 07-09-2008, 01:59 PM   #14932
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Ricky Davis is "instant offense" the way Antoine Walker is "instant 3-point production"
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Old 07-09-2008, 02:06 PM   #14933
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nah, Ricky is a solid scorer, and he does a lot better in off the bench roles
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Old 07-09-2008, 02:08 PM   #14934
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There is a guy out there that is v v similar to Davis who I would have taken instead just b/c he's not Ricky ****ing Davis.

Also, now KC gets to link to Ricky's triple double attempt.

On wiki it says he wants to play for every NBA franchise in his career. LOL.

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Old 07-09-2008, 02:18 PM   #14935
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Ricky really is the coolest.

Gotta debate about whether to sleep on my facemelter some more. Give me a who mins here.
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Old 07-09-2008, 02:18 PM   #14936
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Unleash the facemelter KC. I'm curious.

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Old 07-09-2008, 02:20 PM   #14937
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Ricky really is the coolest.

Gotta debate about whether to sleep on my facemelter some more. Give me a who mins here.
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Old 07-09-2008, 03:18 PM   #14938
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my face melter is

drumrolllll

Ervin Johnson. Defensive beast and owns the glass on each end of the floor.

Sorry I don't have time to post in the other thread w/ writeup or even to PM Assani. Really busy at work. Someone else do it.
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Old 07-09-2008, 03:36 PM   #14939
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Consider my face unmelted.

Johnson will battle it out with Ben Wallace for worst offensive player in the league. (I think Ben will win. Or would it be lose? Ben is worse, methinks.)

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Old 07-09-2008, 03:40 PM   #14940
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Come on, what about Antoine Walker? All of the inefficiency at two and a half times the volume, and none of the offensive rebounding to boot!
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Old 07-09-2008, 03:45 PM   #14941
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Man, take it from someone who got to watch Ervin up close during his prime, he isn't just the worst offensive player in this league, he is likely the most inept offensive player in the history of the NBA. Very solid defensively and rebounding obviously.
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Old 07-09-2008, 03:50 PM   #14942
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Looking at his numbers, no way that can be true. His first two years were Ben Wallace esque, but after that, he was reasonably efficient until around 33, although his already small usage rate plummeted after 30. In his prime though, no way he can the most inept offensive player in the history of the league.
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Old 07-09-2008, 04:27 PM   #14943
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yeah he was OK. He'll pick up dunks and layups off of nice feeds and putbacks. He's mostly DD's backup or Vlade if we want to get all nightmarish on defense (and just rain jumpshots on offense). His durability rules, and he lines up nicely with my team's prime ~5 or 6 years into the league, where we'll then rattle off a 3peat.

I could use a solid backup PG, but Starks can manage should I get stuck with all bad ones to choose from (doubtful), whereas big men we're running short on.

There's one REAL face melter left that I almost took but he just didn't fit.
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Old 07-09-2008, 05:02 PM   #14944
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I think there is a little difference between being inept offensively and actually hurting your team on that end. Mark Eaton and Ben Wallace, both sub .500 TS% big men, are offensive negatives by a large margin. Ervin, on the other hand, at least takes better shots.

On the defensive end, Ervin was a beast and imo the best defender taken in the last couple rounds. He was a monster on the boards, and only Ben, Deke, Timmay, Barkley, Marcus, Ty Hill, Shaq, and Shawn Kemp have a higher rebounding percentage.
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Old 07-09-2008, 05:02 PM   #14945
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I give Ervin the edge over Ben because his FT shooting is respectable. But he is sooooo bad offensively. I remember he would get an offensive rebound and then almost always have to pass out. Just had no clue what to do with the ball in his hands.

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Old 07-09-2008, 05:07 PM   #14946
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I give Ervin the edge over Ben because his FT shooting is respectable. But he is sooooo bad offensively. I remember he would get an offensive rebound and then almost always have to pass out. Just had no clue what to do with the ball in his hands.

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That is so awesome, I remember him doing that with the Nugs.
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Old 07-09-2008, 05:15 PM   #14947
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he was super sick on the glass and on D though. To have that high of a block % over that long of a career is rare.

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Old 07-09-2008, 05:21 PM   #14948
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That is so awesome, I remember him doing that with the Nugs.
It was funny, he would get the board - and not one of those long / let's reset the offense boards, but a right under the basket / no one between him and the hoop / throw it down big fella type of boards - and he would still pass the ball! The sad thing is, if he did try to go up with it, he would get blocked ALOT. And by guys much smaller than him. He just didnt know how to use his body well at all. I think that shows up in his fouls/36 as well.

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Old 07-09-2008, 05:27 PM   #14949
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I give Ervin the edge over Ben because his FT shooting is respectable. But he is sooooo bad offensively. I remember he would get an offensive rebound and then almost always have to pass out. Just had no clue what to do with the ball in his hands.

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that's better than taking a **** shot, though. Resetting the offense rules. His %s are OK, so he's doing something right.
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Old 07-09-2008, 05:35 PM   #14950
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no doubt kc, sorry if I was bagging on him too much - he was smart enough to know his limitations and play to his strengths. I like the pick and think he fits well into your team.

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