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Old 07-02-2008, 09:18 PM   #14551
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Old 07-02-2008, 09:20 PM   #14552
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Most message boards allow users to edit their own posts. This one doesn't. This board only allows mods to edit posts after a few minutes. They asked to be mods- it wasn't forced upon them.
so? it's not part of their job description to go and edit other people's posts whenever called upon.
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Old 07-02-2008, 09:24 PM   #14553
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What are you even arguing, KC? Its not like I was rude or didn't say "please." You initially were arguing that I should PM them. Then I told you that they have been PMed. Now what are you arguing? That I shouldn't be even asking them?
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Old 07-02-2008, 09:27 PM   #14554
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I'm taking Cuttino Mobley.
**** you, i wanted to take him in 9 or 10 just to keep Stevie Franchise happy
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Old 07-02-2008, 09:27 PM   #14555
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I was starting to look at Rider recently....not a bad pick...lots of upside for sure.

KC, I disagree with you. JR definitely had enough skill to be "the man" in Minnesota. This isn't a Tom Googliotta or Zach Randolph type of guy who scores a ton on very bad efficiency on bad teams. JR's TS% in his first three years was 53.3%, 54.8%, and 55.0%.

I'm actually very surprised that SD posted his career TS%(which is greatly brought down by his later years) instead of focusing on the potential upside of Rider actually continuing his early career numbers.

Rider's problems were mental, not physical imo.
TS% isn't enough of an overall talent evaluator. And JR's issues being mental don't really disprove my statement. Nothing about his rookie or sophomore year say to me "this kid is gonna be a star". It could happen, but I doubt it. He shot OK, passed OK I guess, but he didn't do much else well. Mediocre rebounding, high TO rate, bad defensively.

Despite his limitations his usage was sky high and he was lauded as an up and coming star before it was really deserved. Perhaps if he landed on an established team he'd have developed a bit better. That's why I feel a bit sorry for him.

Durant the next JR? Probably not but wouldn't be the most shocking thing ever.
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Old 07-02-2008, 09:29 PM   #14556
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What are you even arguing, KC? Its not like I was rude or didn't say "please." You initially were arguing that I should PM them. Then I told you that they have been PMed. Now what are you arguing? That I shouldn't be even asking them?
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Old 07-02-2008, 09:33 PM   #14557
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I like the Nene pick. Thought about him a lot with my pick a few picks ago.
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Old 07-02-2008, 09:43 PM   #14558
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Old 07-02-2008, 09:46 PM   #14559
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What is there to like about the Nene pick? Seriously.
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Old 07-02-2008, 09:50 PM   #14560
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What is there to like about the Nene pick? Seriously.
The fact that he's very good I would suspect.
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Old 07-02-2008, 09:50 PM   #14561
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HE's a pretty good defender otherwise I'm pretty meh about him. His PER and TS% aren't bad for this point though although 2 of the last 3 seasons he's missed 60 games+, also in 2004-2005 he missed 27 games.
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Old 07-02-2008, 09:51 PM   #14562
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The fact that he's very good I would suspect.
Oh come on
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Old 07-02-2008, 09:52 PM   #14563
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He doesn't play. He's fat with major issues, including teh cancer. He ain't gonna be playing.
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Old 07-02-2008, 09:54 PM   #14564
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his one nut will inspire the rest of his teammates to not take anything for granted, and play as if each had three nuts.
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Old 07-02-2008, 09:54 PM   #14565
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HE's a pretty good defender otherwise I'm pretty meh about him. His PER and TS% aren't bad for this point though although 2 of the last 3 seasons he's missed 60 games+, also in 2004-2005 he missed 27 games.
I'm waiting for Bobbo's writeup, but to say he's a pretty good defender is an understatement. Pretty much every advanced metric has him right behind KG and Duncan. Offensively he's extremely good, one of the best players in the NBA without the ball.

Injuries are a concern, but not as much as the amount of games he's missed would suggest.
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Old 07-02-2008, 09:55 PM   #14566
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seadood,

link said advanced metrics, because I'm not seeing it.
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Old 07-02-2008, 09:56 PM   #14567
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I'm waiting for Bobbo's writeup, but to say he's a pretty good defender is an understatement. Pretty much every advanced metric has him right behind KG and Duncan. Offensively he's extremely good, one of the best players in the NBA without the ball.

Injuries are a concern, but not as much as the amount of games he's missed would suggest.
If I didn't know who you were talking about I'd think you were talking about a top 25 NBA player in this post.
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Old 07-02-2008, 09:56 PM   #14568
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He doesn't play. He's fat with major issues, including teh cancer. He ain't gonna be playing.
More clark wisdom, let's hope it's as good as his opinions on JR Smith.
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Old 07-02-2008, 09:56 PM   #14569
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So he's the 3rd best post defender in the NBA and offensively "extremely" good, which I would define as top 6 at his position, making him pretty much a slam dunk all star if he's ever healthy. Let's all take a deep breath.
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Old 07-02-2008, 09:57 PM   #14570
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George Karl and I agree on JR Smith, which leads me to think I could be wrong.
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Old 07-02-2008, 09:58 PM   #14571
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seadood,

link said advanced metrics, because I'm not seeing it.
Drating of 102 on Bref.

THIS

and

THIS
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Old 07-02-2008, 10:04 PM   #14572
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adjusted +/- has huge sample size concerns, and Nene played 1300 mins in that first study, compared to 3K and 2.2K by KG and Duncan that season.

Drtg of 102 is good but nothing stellar. Perk's was like 97. I'm seeing at least 5 better big men this season.

I'm counting a bunch better in your second link too.

He's "solid" defensively. 3rd behind Duncan and KG is absurd. And he's hurt all the time. Has regular issues with his weight due to said injuries (or maybe vice versa).
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It's amazing the Nugs didn't win it all with all this elite talent. That would've shut the haters up. At least, moreso than a second straight first round throttling.
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Old 07-02-2008, 10:06 PM   #14574
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More clark wisdom, let's hope it's as good as his opinions on JR Smith.
Your comments on Nene make me feel very good about where I stand in the JR Smith debate.
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Old 07-02-2008, 10:13 PM   #14575
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^^^ This is why your JR Smith arguments were so bad. You brought nothing to the table except half truths and baseless opinions. At least come to the table with some type of evidence, like KC did.

KC, I wasn't trying to say that he's on par with KG or TD defensively. I think he's vv good, better than just "solid." I used the advanced metrics to show that he's rated well above average.

Weight issues have been blown out of proportion. The only time he came in heavy was 2006/7, and was that way for about 20 games. This season, he came in at his rookie weight, he just looked heavy because he got ripped during the 2006/7 season.

Injuries are definitely a concern, but they've been so for guys chosen many rounds ago.

There's a lot more I want to say, but I don't want to step on Bobbo's writeup so I'll wait.
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