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Old 06-30-2008, 08:22 PM   #14301
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how the hell did Zack Randolph manage to jack up 80 3s in 69 games last year? Jeebus. Really don't like him, I honestly wouldn't have taken him even in the 10th, I think he has negative value when he is on the floor.

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Old 06-30-2008, 08:30 PM   #14302
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'97 Lakers have 8 or 9 drafted so far and will def end up w/ 10.
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Old 06-30-2008, 08:31 PM   #14303
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I was prob a bit unfair just then, Randolph doesnt have negative value, he does rebound v well. But his TS% is soooo bad considering how much he shoots and his position. Not antoine walker bad, but still real bad. And the whole team cancer thing isn't great either.

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Old 06-30-2008, 08:36 PM   #14304
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Harper
Jordan
Pippen
Rodman
Cartwright
Grant
Kukoc

Only 7 players total from the Bulls runs although tbh maybe 1 or 2 players left from those teams are draftable.
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Old 06-30-2008, 08:44 PM   #14305
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'01 Heat have 9 drafted...
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Old 06-30-2008, 08:56 PM   #14306
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7 Players from the 01-02 Kings team.
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Old 06-30-2008, 08:56 PM   #14307
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The '96 Bulls (72-10) only have 5 players drafted so far, not quite as many as the '05 Hawks (13-69), who have 6.
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Old 06-30-2008, 09:03 PM   #14308
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My take on round #7 so far:

EPipen11 - Kendrick Perkins
Solid pick IMO. Issues include foul trouble and a somewhat suspect injury history. Strengths include very good 1-on-1 post defense, good help D and very nice rebounding. Can clean up well on the glass, but will not get many offensive boards against opposing centers with elite size. More importantly, forms an imposing interior D when paired with McHale.

GKA - Brendan Haywood
Solid pick, for basically the opposite reasons as Perkins. His offensive game is more polished, but his defense and rebounding are not as good. As a unit, the frontcourt trio of Gasol, Haywood and Kenyon Martin should be good offensively, but not defensively with KMart being the best defender of the group.

mmbt0ne - Rodney Rodgers
I like this pick, especially considering the vector of mmbt0ne's team. This team looks to be an incarnation of the modern Sun's run & fun, with superior wing defense (forcing TOs and limiting opposing wing penitration), outstanding backcourt scoring ability, but very little interior D.

X/D - David Wesley
He is a solid on the ball defender while putting up good offense. Major knocks, not a true playmaker (can get his shot, but not as many shots for teammates) and is small and thus cannot reasonably guard any position except the point and small SG's. Even tho he is small, he can avoid being posted by opposing big PGs (6'4" and under) because he is strong enough to make up for any close height disparity.

X/D - Benoit Benjamin
Good pick for his all around strengths. He will board very well, score at a decent clip and play average interior D.

AC-Cobra - Erick Dampier
The major knock is that he doesn't play good until about 27 as AC notes. He will play poor interior D until about 27, at which point it becomes reasonably good. Offensively, he was very poor until 27 but did show an improved ability to clean up afterwards. His rebounding is definitely his high point for his entire career, with good instincts on the boards, especially after 27. I don't like AC's reasoning that he will be able to increase his minutes later because it should be noted that Smits' peak overlaps with Dampier's. Dampier's number will have to be called before AC is ready to do so, especially in the 24-27 age bracket when Smits only played around 24 minutes/game. When both players are at their peak, increasing Dampier's minutes does not make sense to me.

sergz - Jim Paxson
Major knock - will retire with Ruland to star in mustache based porn. If he somehow resists that temptation, his decline coincides with the rise of Bruce Bowen (although I question Bowen's ability to play the 2) so that's a plus. As discussed, his offense is pretty awesome, while his D leaves something to be desired. Subbing Bowen in for Paxson (logistics of which I cannot comment on until sergz' entire team is drafted) puts him in a kinda Brent Barry-esqe role that the Spurs have used to great effect.

TBach - Tom Gugliotta
Put me in the camp that remembered Googs being alot better than the numbers bore out. Still, IMO very solid value off the bench for the requirement that he will be able to draw the defense out with his decent range and good rebounding.

VEF - Kerry Kittles
I like Kittles alot, the only issue that I have with this pick is his short career, especially in this league. Kittles had efficient offense in getting his own shot, and good penitration ability and very good defense while healthy. It should be noted that his defense was not that great until 27 with his last productive year being @ 29.

TDarko - Armon Gilliam
Gilliam's all around game is good, being a decent rebounder, efficient scorer but an average or below defender.

*skip me* oh damn this is taking way longer than I thought it would.

SammyKid11 - Wesley Person
Should be able to score and score efficiently with the noted 3pt% and low TO rate. However, he doesn't play much D and doesn't go to the boards very well. In a specialist role he could be very effective.

NPP - Orlando Woolridge
I am not nearly as high on this pick as most of the board appears to be. He definitely brings high efficiency scoring, but his extremely poor defense and rebounding are, IMO, far greater deficiencies. These deficiencies could be masked on another team, but since his interior D was average or below before this pick, it has dipped into the truely atrocious range now. Also, his main strength requires that he be used at a high rate. Given that everyone on his roster except Bynum really requires the ball to be effective, I don't think there will be enough shots to go around.

Dudd - Jameer Nelson
Solid backup PG to play behind Parker. Gives Dudd a strong rotation at the point, but can't sub multiple positions.

MEbenhoe - Kenny Anderson
I had him higher than Nelson, but as mentioned his shot selection is his major knock. MEbenhoe also has a solid PG rotation.
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Old 06-30-2008, 09:04 PM   #14309
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7 Players from the 01-02 Kings team.
I went through a few and 7 seems to be pretty standard for stronger teams. 8+ is when I get impressed.

98-99 Pacers got 9.
95-96, 96-97 Pacers got 8.

I think some of these Pacers teams will get 10.
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Old 06-30-2008, 09:10 PM   #14310
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04-05 Celtics have 6!
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Old 06-30-2008, 09:18 PM   #14311
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I went through a few and 7 seems to be pretty standard for stronger teams. 8+ is when I get impressed.

98-99 Pacers got 9.
95-96, 96-97 Pacers got 8.

I think some of these Pacers teams will get 10.
It's really amazing that the Bulls only have 5 in their biggest winning season.
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Old 06-30-2008, 09:54 PM   #14312
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Round 7, Pick 257: PF/C Brandan Wright

I'll add a writeup tomorrow.

Had a very productive rookie year in limited minutes. At worst, he'll be a solid backup for Biedrins. Has stud potential. Still only 20 years old.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...wrighbr03.html

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PG Kevin Johnson
PG/SG Brent Barry
SF Dominique Wilkins
PF/C Brian Grant
PF/C Andris Biedrins
PF/C Michael Cage
PF/C Brandan Wright
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Old 06-30-2008, 09:56 PM   #14313
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Don't like this pick at all... I mean the potential is nice and everything, but there are so many gusy with proven production left.
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Old 06-30-2008, 09:57 PM   #14314
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Really, I like UNC players but wow this is early for him. I thought he was a 10th round guy.
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Old 06-30-2008, 09:58 PM   #14315
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I love Brandan Wright's potential and I'm pretty sure he'll turn out to be a nice player, but this is a really bad pick now IMO.
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Old 06-30-2008, 10:01 PM   #14316
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The guy played 376 minutes this year. He played less than 8 full games.
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Old 06-30-2008, 10:07 PM   #14317
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Even though squandering early picks has greater significance, this is just as bad as the Bynum and Horford picks imo...
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Old 06-30-2008, 10:16 PM   #14318
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lolololol brandan wright makes juwan howard look good
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Old 06-30-2008, 10:18 PM   #14319
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I think I took bynum 1 round to soon. Although it was made worse because I passed up on Larry nance to take him. He is still a very solid player. Its safe to project him as a minimum 16 an 11 with 2.5 blocks per game, doing this shooting the ball at over 55% and scoring with out really getting many post touches.
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Old 06-30-2008, 10:21 PM   #14320
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I think I took bynum 1 round to soon. Although it was made worse because I passed up on Larry nance to take him. He is still a very solid player. Its safe to project him as a minimum 16 an 11 with 2.5 blocks per game, doing this shooting the ball at over 55% and scoring with out really getting many post touches.
projections based on what

half a year
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Old 06-30-2008, 10:23 PM   #14321
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projections based on what

half a year
Based on common knowledge of basketball. I dont expect everyone to have the scouting talents of mitch kupchack, but surely you can know a star when you see one
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Old 06-30-2008, 10:30 PM   #14322
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The problem with picking a young guy like Bynum, Horford, B. Wright, Durant, etc. is that their value is based on the way that they are perceived by the other owners (us). We have no reason to assume that Bynum will wind up getting 16/11/2.5. You are asking us to believe that quite a lot will go right for your guy in this league. Had you picked Nance for example, now you have a large body of numbers to back up your claim that a team with Larry Nance on it will be good; and good for this, this, and this reason...
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Old 06-30-2008, 10:33 PM   #14323
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It's really amazing that the Bulls only have 5 in their biggest winning season.

Jordan counts as a whole team by himself. This was how great this man was.
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Old 06-30-2008, 10:46 PM   #14324
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Based on common knowledge of basketball. I dont expect everyone to have the scouting talents of mitch kupchack, but surely you can know a star when you see one
just using baseball as an example

so shane spencer in 01 had what like 10hr in september

would u argue after teh world series he would be consistent 20hr/100rbi LF


oh and mitch kupchak has no idea what bynum will be in 5yrs
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Old 06-30-2008, 10:47 PM   #14325
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The problem with picking a young guy like Bynum, Horford, B. Wright, Durant, etc. is that their value is based on the way that they are perceived by the other owners (us). We have no reason to assume that Bynum will wind up getting 16/11/2.5. You are asking us to believe that quite a lot will go right for your guy in this league. Had you picked Nance for example, now you have a large body of numbers to back up your claim that a team with Larry Nance on it will be good; and good for this, this, and this reason...
pretty much agree with all of this
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