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Old 06-23-2008, 06:48 PM   #13651
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It is way easier for a good defensive frontcourt to compensate for any deficiencies in the backcourt than for a good defensive backcourt to compensate for a bad defensive frontcourt.
Agree with both of you, although I don't think anyone here has ever said otherwise. Thats why guys like Rodman and Ben Wallace went in the 2nd round while guys like Raja Bell and Bowen went in the 6th round. I think everyone understands this completely in fact.
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Old 06-23-2008, 06:49 PM   #13652
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Oh yeah, and I think the biggest thing we've brushed over (and I'm a HUUUUGE offender of this) is rebounding. It's getting far to little love, and yet IMO is one of the biggest elements to a team. I don't understand why this is, and considering I only have like 30 minutes before I'm kicked off the library computer, I can't really divulge now.
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Old 06-23-2008, 06:49 PM   #13653
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D104 FTW.

Pretty good discussion going on. Epip that was a well thought out post. FWIW I actually think my O is the strength, but I'll take being in your fave 5.

Alex and Epip bring up some great points about matchups and the relative strengths of these teams. There are SO MANY good squads out there that it will be very difficult to rate them effectively until they're matched up with another squad.

But the speculation is cool.

FWIW, I really like about 25 of the teams, and have trouble coming up with a group of "elites."

Also +1 on Assani and the importance of defense.
The way I see it, is your whole team are very good/elite defenders except for Mike Miller who isn't terrible. Your team is easily in the top 4 defensive teams, and arguably the best (I think yours, Clarks, Assani's, and mine are the 4 best).

I think your offense is obv very good too but it just isn't as good as ur defense imo. I mean besides KG, you really don't have great shot creators for themselves. And even KG isn't great at this, he is much better in the role where he has great offensive players alongside him and doesn't have to be the main offensive guy like Pierce was this year.

Regardless I think your offense is very good and ur defense is elite, and u are the 2nd best team overall imo behind Clarks (and u are close to Clark and can def overtake him).
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Old 06-23-2008, 06:51 PM   #13654
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^^^^ All good points, and conceded. I think you are right that it'd be a good game. Also, in looking at Dikembe vs. Hakeem, Drob, and Shaq, I'm pretty convinced that he's the best defensive player in the draft. And supposedly 1v1 D wasn't his strong suit
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Hijack since you're now the second person to say this....

I've constantly said Duncan is the best defender in this draft, but I'll easily admit that Dikembe could be better.

What does everyone think about them defensively? Where do KG, Alonzo, Ewing, and the others rank in? And then what about Ben Wallace and Rodman?

I think top 10 defensive post players would be a very very interesting list to make. Maybe do one for one-on-one D, one for help D, and then one overall. Anyone feel like giving it a shot?
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Old 06-23-2008, 06:51 PM   #13655
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two very long posts, but one thing I want to address. The love for steroid's team. Yes, he has Jordan. Yes, Terry fits very nicely on that team.

But Josh Smith was assuredly a reach. And Juwan Howard was an AWFUL choice. Honestly I'd draft Joe Smith over him. But really he could have had AC Green, West, Caron.. basically the whole next ROUND of picks were better than Juwan Howard.

And I generally find Camby overrated. Trouble staying on the court, weak-side block prowler rather than elite defensive post defense (read a good article about this recently. Opposing centers go off on Camby because he's so block hungry). Pretty weak offensively.

Jordan is amazing, but he's not like this superhero who willed 6 teams to rings. He played for awesome teams. When they weren't so awesome, Jordan suffered playoff exit after playoff exit. That's exactly what I expect out of this squad in this league.
I agree with all of this, and it's a shame, this was Steroid Boy's to lose...and he lost it by a good margin too (he isn't even in my top 5 and there are still teams outside the top 5 i'd rank over his team too).
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Old 06-23-2008, 06:51 PM   #13656
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who's been underrating rebounding? Certainly not me. My front line owns the glass, son.
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Old 06-23-2008, 06:56 PM   #13657
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who's been underrating rebounding? Certainly not me. My front line owns the glass, son.
Mine too ftw. KG and Laimbeer 10th and 14th ALL TIME in drebounding % Offensively they are only 89th and 94th. Total rebound % they are 25th and 32nd ALL TIME.

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Old 06-23-2008, 06:57 PM   #13658
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It hasn't really been talked about. It's actually the reason I like seadood's team so much. KG and Laimbeer are such sick rebounders (in addition to all the other great things that they bring). That team will be very, very, very, very hard to put up points on.
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Old 06-23-2008, 06:59 PM   #13659
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Hijack since you're now the second person to say this....

I've constantly said Duncan is the best defender in this draft, but I'll easily admit that Dikembe could be better.

What does everyone think about them defensively? Where do KG, Alonzo, Ewing, and the others rank in? And then what about Ben Wallace and Rodman?

I think top 10 defensive post players would be a very very interesting list to make. Maybe do one for one-on-one D, one for help D, and then one overall. Anyone feel like giving it a shot?
I might do this. Assani I remember Deke giving Hakeem fits that year the Nugs beat the sonics and the Rockets won the title, but dismissed it as a semi-fluke. Looking at the stats though, many of them point to Mutombo being able to hold his own in a H2H. If I have time I'll go deeper.

[edit] Oh man, I just got chills thinking about that season. Nugs get blown out by the Sonics in games 1 and 2, then come back to win the next 3. They play the Jazz in the WCSF and go down 3-0, then win the next three to force a game 7, with one of those games being a 2OT thriller featuring last second shots by both teams. That Nugs team was really a bunch of overachievers, especially considering that only one of them has been drafted.

[edit2]Make that 2. Rodney was just drafted, but he was a pipsqueak then..
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Old 06-23-2008, 07:11 PM   #13660
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My front court is beastly on the boards, both AC and Admiral are top 100 all time in rebound percentage and in the 40s all time in o-reb percentage. Given that they were so efficient and played more like huge 3s than 4s/5s, that's amazing.

Anyway:

+1 to BigCat being dropped
+1 to some good posts lately, especially EPiPen
+1 to Seadood's sentiment that there are quite a few good teams that we can't gauge properly without looking at matchups.
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Old 06-23-2008, 07:13 PM   #13661
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My top 5:
1. Seadood- The KG/Laimbeer frontcourt is just gonna be too much to handle. This team is going to hold you to like 40 points per game.
2. Bobbo- As much as I disliked the DC pick, guy's still talented and Bobbo's surrounded Shaq with a bunch of guys that can shoot (in addition to their other great basketball qualities).
3. sergz- Such a solid 1-5 team and once Bruce comes in, this is going to be another insane defensive powerhouse.
4. horizon- LBJ with good inside help = a great defensive team. LBJ + shooters you can't cheat off of + inside players who (a) play inside and (b) don't suck = an offense that will get it done.
5. cowboy- Love this team. It's so solidly built. You guys can hate on Toine all you want, but it's not like he's going to kill your team. Just don't let him off the bench.

I had to make my writeup abrupt, but here are the next 5: kidcolin, clark, epipen, GKA, JoA (no particular order there). FWIW, all of these teams are very close.

Not going to do a worst 5.

Also, just want to mention that you all should take a closer look at my team. It's huuge (6'4, 6'8, 6'8, 6'10, 7'3 + 6'9 otb). Also, very skilled. Before my players get injured (that 5 year period), my team will be a force to be reckoned with.
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Old 06-23-2008, 07:15 PM   #13662
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If there is no one else, Ill take over his team. It's just so bad though!

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You guys can sweeten the deal if you let me drop Roy ****** Tarpley and pick twice in a row.

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Old 06-23-2008, 07:20 PM   #13664
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You guys can sweeten the deal if you let me drop Roy ****** Tarpley and pick twice in a row.

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I'd be down for that, but others might not.
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Old 06-23-2008, 07:21 PM   #13665
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If there is no one else, Ill take over his team. It's just so bad though!

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Think of it as one of those abused dogs you take from the shelter just so it doesn't get put down. Sure, you could probably do better for yourself, but in your heart you know you are doing the right thing.
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Also, just want to mention that you all should take a closer look at my team. It's huuge (6'4, 6'8, 6'8, 6'10, 7'3 + 6'9 otb). Also, very skilled. Before my players get injured (that 5 year period), my team will be a force to be reckoned with.
I was going to put in my post that this is probably the best team for the first few years, but didn't want to single anyone out because there are so many good teams. But I do think that this is the toughest team to matchup with offensively when healthy, and vv good defensively.
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Old 06-23-2008, 07:28 PM   #13667
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My top 5:
1. Seadood- The KG/Laimbeer frontcourt is just gonna be too much to handle. This team is going to hold you to like 40 points per game.
2. Bobbo- As much as I disliked the DC pick, guy's still talented and Bobbo's surrounded Shaq with a bunch of guys that can shoot (in addition to their other great basketball qualities).
3. sergz- Such a solid 1-5 team and once Bruce comes in, this is going to be another insane defensive powerhouse.
4. horizon- LBJ with good inside help = a great defensive team. LBJ + shooters you can't cheat off of + inside players who (a) play inside and (b) don't suck = an offense that will get it done.
5. cowboy- Love this team. It's so solidly built. You guys can hate on Toine all you want, but it's not like he's going to kill your team. Just don't let him off the bench.

I had to make my writeup abrupt, but here are the next 5: kidcolin, clark, epipen, GKA, JoA (no particular order there). FWIW, all of these teams are very close.

Not going to do a worst 5.

Also, just want to mention that you all should take a closer look at my team. It's huuge (6'4, 6'8, 6'8, 6'10, 7'3 + 6'9 otb). Also, very skilled. Before my players get injured (that 5 year period), my team will be a force to be reckoned with.
KC's team is underrated by this board imo, just like Ainge's defense. I can't wait for a certain player to be drafted (he will go soon) so I can tell my favorite Ainge story. And it's not Tree Rollins. JOA's team is obviously awesome too.
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I'd be down for that, but others might not.
I don't see what's wrong with that, its like I traded down one round for nothing. The only problem I could see is if someone this past round wanted Tarpley, but I doubt anyone did.

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Old 06-23-2008, 07:32 PM   #13669
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First I wanna say I apoligize for acting like a douchebag sometimes during this thread. While I still don't think I was wrong in any of my arguments, I def handled them poorly, for that I am sorry.
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You also make things interesting too though. While I can understand the hate, overall I'm definitely glad you're a part of this.


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I also wanna say my team is def being very underrated/overlooked because a ton of you guys hate me and have a personal bias against me and I realize I brought that upon myself.
Nobody has really analyzed your team though. Hell, I think my team is one of the top teams, but nobodys talked about it recently either. Different teams get talked about at different times. That doesn't mean anyone's underrating it imo.


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Regardless... other things I think are being overlooked in this are that having BOTH an elite defense and an elite offense as well as floor spacing (mainly 3pt shooting but midranges shots are fine as long as you only have a few of them) are the key aspects being overlooked imo.
I do agree with this, but as I said to you earlier I think you can get away with not having great shooting if you have great penetrators at your wing spots because it still forces the defense to pay attention to them as the D simply can't be effective if its out of position when they start their drives. Otherwise, I definitely agree.


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Horizon said defense is overrated and I could not disagree more, it is just as important in this league as offense (and even more inmport than offense the regular NBA). But he is right, if you have the best defense and you have an average/below average offense, you won't win it all in this league. However if you have the best offense, yet have an average/below average defense, you won't win it all either. What you need is BOTH a very good/elite offense and a very good/elite defense and I feel only a few teams have that.
I agree with this. And as I've said in a few posts above, I think people are misunderstanding what makes a great offense(I think you feel pretty much the same way I do that people are overrating having a bunch of bulk scorers with no real fit).


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So removing all my bias...Teams that I feel have a very good/elite offense and defense besides me are:
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Jordan, Camby, Josh Smith, Jason Terry, Juwan Howard, Joe Smith.... I don't think either his offense or defense is elite but they are both very good (offense is really only very good cause of Jordan but he has very little offensive help around him which is a problem). Defense is very good yet not elite imo because they really don't have a great post defender (Camby is a lot better at help defense and kinda gets killed by very good/elite bigmen).
I agree with the bold, but I would've limited the list to teams who are at least elite at one of the two and good/elite at the other.


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Lebron, Grant, Petrovic, Okafor, Lever, Barros...I think this def is a very good defensive team. Lebron, Grant, Lever are very good if not great defenders. Okafor is pretty good although overrated imo. The rest aren't great defenders but they aren't terrible either. There offensive is better than their defense but I don't know if I would call it elite because they will have both Grant/Okafor who need to play near the hoop which could be a problem especially since Lebron loves to drive. And if they start Lever their offense will def be even worse than very good as they will have 3 very bad shooters, and Lebron isn't a great 3pt shooter either.
Loved the first four picks, hated how Lever fits with the team. I think Heinrich definitely would've been a better choice.

BTW...can Lebron actually play the point full time on offense? I don't mean like he does in real life; I mean full time PG. If so then I would've loved taking Bowen as your fifth starter. On offense it gives you another shooter, and you don't really need much else since your team is pretty set on offense with Lebron scoring and creating open shots for others. And it would obviously help on D...yeah you'd probably have to have Bowen guard the other team's PG, but hes shown he can do that when he defends Nash or Paul, right? You'd probably be "wasting" some of his defensive excellence by occassionally having him guarding guys like Rondo who are little threat, but overall I think it may work.

IF you ignore that strategy, I think Hinrich would've been a better fit here.

But yea...this is a tough tough team imo. Like it a lot.


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I think starting Barros is a must and having Lever come off as a 6th man would be ideal. Lever and Lebron are both a lot more effective with the ball in their hands, so if you make sure Lever is on the court at all times when Lebron isn't, your offense will be a lot better.
Makes sense to me, but exactly how many minutes is Lebron going to be sitting each game?

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Drazen is lights out and I loved the pick (was considering him over Martin). He can play both off the ball and on the ball equally as well. Lebron is obv Lebron but he needs the ball in his hands to be most effective. I think if you had drafted a defensive PG who could hit the 3, ur team would possibly be top 3 in the league, I think drafting Fat really hurt ur team imo especially because now he is playing with Grant/Okafor who also can't shoot making it a lot easier to double Lebron/Petrovic.
Agreed....didn't Grant have a decent midrange jumper though?


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Duncan, Penny, AK47, Harper, McCray, Outlaw... I think his defense is def elite, one of the best if not the best in the entire league. However his offense while good, barely makes the very good list imo.
Obviously I agree on defense, as that was my main strategy. I do think I'm elite on offense, but I can understand the criticisms.


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Duncan and Penny are really their only 2 creators
Not sure I understand this. AK47 and McCray are very much "point forward" types. Moreover, are you saying that my PG is not a creator at all?

I will agree with you that most of the time my offense will be posting Duncan up or isolating Penny(sometimes on a postup too) and running it out of that....and really how many more options than that do you need?

But I can definitely envision some backdoor screens for alley oops to Penny from Harper, and I can envision the ball movement being superb on my team even after the ball has long left Penny or Duncan's hands.

I will agree that when Outlaw is in the game it gives me one less option, so when he is playing I will rely upon Penny or Duncan to take over or really create wide open shots moreso. When hes not in the game, I think it can very much be a total team effort on offense.

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and although they both are great at this, Penny will be a lot worse in 3 years.
Obviously a very fair criticism. I wish I took Eddie Jones instead of Penny. I just couldn't pass up the elite performance that Penny brings. I mean honestly...when Penny is healthy does any team come close to my 1/2 combo of Duncan/Penny?

But yea, due to the injuries I think it was a mistake pick(especially with Jones there).


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Also their floor spacing isn't that good at all, AK47 sucks off the ball, Harper can hit a 3 but it's not like hes amazing by any stretch, McCray apparently has a good midrange game? (don't know much about him), and Outlaw will be right near the hoop so while he won't be an offensive liability, he will make AK47 into one since AK47 has a bad jump shot. I realize you have Bo on ur bench, but I would def try to limit as much as possible the time AK47 and Bo are on the court together.
Understand your point, and I'm definitely going to add a 3 point shooter at some point in the draft. There are still a ton of guys who can hit the open 3 available.

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David Robinson, Terry Porter, Mark Aguirre, AC Green, McKey, Korver...I think this team is more balanced than the 2 above. I think both it's offense and defense are very good and possibly both elite although I don't think they are quite at the elite mark.
agreed here. Good team.


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KG, Laimbeer, Hornacek, Mike Miller, Bobby Phills, Elden Campbell...I think this team is the best so far out of all I listed. It has an elite defense and a very good offense. KG/Laimbeer compliment themselves very well (KG was by far the most effective when he didn't have to guard the best PF/C like this year when Perk did that, and Laimbeer can do it as well). They have good wing defenders too minus Mike Miller, and Campbell is a very good defensive bigman off the bench. Their offense isn't quite as good, as I think KG's offense is overrated but still very good, but they really don't have an elite #2 option, which I think is a problem since KG is best when he doesn't have to create on offense all the time. Regardless they have very good floor spacing and players who can hit the 3.
Loved the first two picks. I think the defense is really good. I think the offense may struggle at times. Who do they give the ball to with the score tied and 10 seconds left? Or what about when the shot clock is running down? Offense to me is good but not great.


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Dwight Howard, Tim Hardaway, Andre Iguodala, Steve Smith Cliff Robinson, David Lee....I don't think this team has either an elite offense or defense but both are very good. On offense they really do lack a #1 option, as Dwight is def not that yet. Hardaway and Iggy can both be #1 options but they aren't really great at it. I don't think there floor spacing is amazing either, but at least a bunch of them can shoot the 3 even if it isn't really that high of a percentage. There defense I feel is better than there offense and is possibly elite although i'd say slightly worse. Howard is obv elite, Iggy is very good, Cliff is very good too. The rest aren't very good but aren't terrible either.
I'm not nearly as high on Hardaway as others. Overall I think this is a solid team top to bottom...no bad picks for sure.


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Ewing, Nance, Blaylock, Houston, Butler, Curry...I like this team the best although I think it's only slightly ahead of Seadood's. This defense is def elite, and like Assani's is one of, if not the best in the league. There offense I think is very good too and possibly elite also. Not much really needs to be said, this is a great team but I feel as if he hadn't gone with Mookie or Houston that early, this team would be even better as Ewing/Nance/Butler were all great picks.
Loved the first two picks, thought Caron was a solid value, kinda meh on the rest of the team though. Still a really good team, but I think I was hoping for more. Not a fan at all of the Blaylock pick. Could've had:

Could've had:

PG Hinrich
SG Petrovic
SF Maggette
PF Nance
C Ewing

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Mourning, Buck Williams, Joe Johnson, JRich, Rondo, Harris...I think this team is a def elite defensive team. Mourning/Buck compliment each other really well (Mourning great help defender, Buck great man defender). Joe Johnson is a very underrated defender around here, JRich isn't amazing but he isn't terrible either, and Rondo/Harris are both very good/elite defenders. There offense I think barely makes very good though. They def don't have a great #1 option, and really only have like 3 #2 options (Johnson, Mourning, JRich) and neither of them are amazing offensive players but they are very good. There floor spacing is ok but they really only have 2 players who can shoot the 3 (Johnson/Jrich) and Rondo can't shoot at all and neither can Buck (def would never play these 2 together).
Love the D due to the first two picks. Hate the Rondo pick, especially considering he took Harris next. I think I would've preferred a slasher type to compliment JJ bettter than Richardson. Maybe Rudy Gay for example. But then try to get a better 3 point shooting PG next round.


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Mutombo, Arenas, Schrempf, Gay, Ruland, Bowen...I think this defense is very good and possibly elite just because of Mutombo and Bowen alone. However Arenas is not a great defender, Schrempf wasn't either, and neither is Ruland. Gay is pretty good though too with the potential to get better. Their offense is very good as well too, Arenas can score and hit the 3, Schrempf is a very good shooter, Bowen can hit a corner 3 so he isn't a liability on offense, and Gay can create/shoot the 3 as well. Ruland can also score, and Mutombo can just play near the hoop. I love their floor spacing which will open things up on offense.
As I said above, I like this team for sure.


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4.Bobbo (this team barley missed the very good defensive cut, but I think it's offense is great because of Shaq/Eddie and floor spacing). I also feel like this team could have been much better had it made different picks after Shaq/Eddie (I thought this was the best 1/2 combo in the entire draft) which focused more on defensive players who could hit shots since you want the ball in Shaq's hands a ton of the time.
I told Bobbo this same thing today when we were playing basketball.




Overall, good post. I'll do a writeup of your team soon too.
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Think of it as one of those abused dogs you take from the shelter just so it doesn't get put down. Sure, you could probably do better for yourself, but in your heart you know you are doing the right thing.
Deal, if I can neuter him (cut Tarpley). Must control the pet population.

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Old 06-23-2008, 07:36 PM   #13671
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Assani, what do you think of D104's idea? We could get this draft running again pronto.
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Old 06-23-2008, 07:37 PM   #13672
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I will take over for Big Cat's team if I am allowed to cut Tarpley and get 2 picks right now.

edit: I see this was just suggested right above me.
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Old 06-23-2008, 07:39 PM   #13673
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I could not disagree more on both counts. Fit is by far more important than maximizing talent. Is it best to have two great post scoring big guys or one scorer and a defender or a post scorer and a guy who can step out and hit a 3? Is it best to have 3 guys who are all primary ball handlers and don't play much defense? No. Also, I disagree that defense is unimportant. The Celtics showed what a great defense can do to a great offense, and very few teams in this league have a better offense than this years Lakers (while many teams have the capacity to set up nearly as good a defense as the Celtics imo).

For example, I feel specifically that steroid boy's team has all pretty good value picks (with Jordan obviously one of the best - albeit easiest - picks in the draft), but that team does not fit together at all. You have two defenders who are both very good at playing weak side defense and getting blocks in the lane (Josh Smith and Marcus Camby), but you don't have anyone that actually plays solid post defense and besides Jordan you really don't have anyone that is guaranteed to lock down their guy, because Josh Smith is sort of a 3/4 tweener and can't always stay with the 3s. So your team gets killed by teams that have good big guys and they get killed by teams that can spread the floor well (to keep Josh Smith and Camby at home) and have a bunch of perimeter guys who can penetrate and score. Like, say, nich's team. It's a team that is pretty alright on defense and pretty alright on offense and because they have Jordan I'm happy to say that it might be an above average team, but it's certainly not top 10 at this point.
My posts got misinterpreted. (I not thinking clearly anyway))
I was more thinking about the way people were evaluating teams than about the actual draft process.
I agree that fit is more important, and that's mostly how I drafted my team(except for the Lever pick, but that's another story).
I just feel that people overrate harmonious looking teams when evaluating them. If you look at a team with a solid big man, a good point guard, a swingman who can defend and shoot the three, you tend to think wow that team is awesome (maybe like Nich's team for instance), because it is like a puzzle where every piece fit.
On the other hand, a dysfunctionnal team with top talent seems to get overlooked in the evaluating process because it doesn't look as good.
I'm fairly certain that Steroid teams would be top ten easily IRL, simply because his team has Jordan surrounded by competent player, and Jordan is that sick.
I just feel that people are evaluating the way teams have been built more than their true value.
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Old 06-23-2008, 07:43 PM   #13674
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I'm fairly certain that Steroid teams would be top ten easily IRL, simply because his team has Jordan surrounded by competent player, and Jordan is that sick.
But Jordan's team in this draft can't touch his old team imo. It's not even close. There are many teams here I think would smoke those Bulls. TBach's team in years 2-5 especially. Jordan was god, but come on it's not like he didn't play with some great guys around him.
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Old 06-23-2008, 07:46 PM   #13675
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I don't see what's wrong with that, its like I traded down one round for nothing. The only problem I could see is if someone this past round wanted Tarpley, but I doubt anyone did.

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I think this is reasonable, but we have to agree that Tarpley is officially excluded from the list of eligble players from this point on. He might start looking good in the late 9th/10th.
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