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Old 05-11-2008, 06:34 AM   #1326
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I really wonder about Grant Hill. He's was quite healthy before the big ankle injury that basically destroyed it's carrer. It's really debatable in my opinion.
It might be better to forget about the freak injury distinction and say that the player your pick will have the same career in your team than inreal life, Robinson misses a year, TMac misses 10 games a year, and Grant hill plays for six years before being useless.
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Old 05-11-2008, 08:47 AM   #1327
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Kidd's awesome, but Bobbo nailed all the points why I wouldn't have picked him there. that said if you can land a sweet 2/3 in... 20 picks, then you'll be fine.
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Old 05-11-2008, 08:50 AM   #1328
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Why don't we just compile a list of every NBA player from 1980-present and put it in the thread, and cross names off the list as they get selected, just so everyone knows everybody left.
Seriously, way to respect the rules Clark.
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Old 05-11-2008, 08:56 AM   #1329
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Because when I talk about the two MVPs remaining, one white and one black, nobody knows who I'm talking about.
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Old 05-11-2008, 09:35 AM   #1330
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The Jason Kidd pick was very good, you get a tall PG who can guard either slot, his peak was around 25, so you get him just when he's turning into his best (best season was 22.5 PER)

these are the reasons kidd slipped:
1. your #1 pick is a guy who really even in his prime could not score. his highest per 36 mins is 18ppg when he was 29, and 16 when 22. Career wise he's 13.7 (or 14.2 on 37.3 mpg, his avg)
2. not only could he not score, he can't shoot, either. even at his best, his highest eFG% was .481 as a 32 yr old (weird his best shooting seasons have come late - sad that he was even worse of a shooter earlier) and owns a .453 eFG, which for this sort of league, means no one needs to put a good defender on him, and forces you to draft to his need; an excellent spot up 2 and/or 3 guard shooter so that people can't just constantly double team the post
3. one of the most unusual players since his skillset is unmatched, that said, he's fairly overrated due to his passing ability; he owns a career PER of 18.7, and still hasn't played through his entire decline (this year finished ~16.7, prob will play 2-3 more years at just under that production)

The positives are self evident and obviously he's great value at this stage but i still think there is another PG that should've gone before him.
That's definitely fair.
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Old 05-11-2008, 10:36 AM   #1331
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Anyone care if I add myself to the end of the list as pick #38?
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Old 05-11-2008, 10:45 AM   #1332
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I think you can make an argument for Kidd or the other PG being better in this format, and imo it really depends on the team you build around him. Under most circumstances, I think the other guy would be the better pick.

Love Ewing but it was too LDO to give any credit.

From what I recall about Clyde, he was the typical "plays great D when he needs to" 2/3 like the others. Overall I think it's a great pick and completely justified over "The SF." I probably would have taken him the other guy though, because he makes finding a PG less of a need.

McHale is also a great pick.

I think the picks get very interesting from here. There are so many directions you can go.
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Old 05-11-2008, 10:56 AM   #1333
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Mchale was an awesome pick, and with the choice the Epipen had I think he went the right way as well. Not so sure on the Drexler and Kidd picks, think there were better players that fill the same needs and not sure I'd like to make them the focal point of my team.
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Old 05-11-2008, 10:58 AM   #1334
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Mchale was an awesome pick, and with the choice the Epipen had I think he went the right way as well. Not so sure on the Drexler and Kidd picks, think there were better players that fill the same needs and not sure I'd like to make them the focal point of my team.
I don't think your first pick has to be the focal point.
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Old 05-11-2008, 11:08 AM   #1335
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I don't think your first pick has to be the focal point.
True, and actually with who Im hoping falls to me I would of looked an idiot because Im not choosing my focal point first if all goes to plan.
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Old 05-11-2008, 11:25 AM   #1336
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I actually had someone else in mind until HSP named that person. Can I PM someone my person and so someone more knowledgeable give me their opinion on where they should go?

I am probably over valuating this person, but don't want to throw out the name to the public.

edit: To be fair, I guess it should be someone not in this draft or who has already picked?

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Old 05-11-2008, 11:33 AM   #1337
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I'll do it...

My opinion sucks though
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Old 05-11-2008, 11:36 AM   #1338
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Yo seriously tho guys, how hard is it to just say you don't like a certain pick because there were better players before without even naming their postion (then wait for those players to get picked, THEN say that was the player(s) I was talking about once they actually get picked by a team).

Like obv it's not a huge deal right now (even though it's annoying and I woulda been extra pissed if someone mentioned McHale before I picked), but it's def something that we should do as the first round nears a close.
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Old 05-11-2008, 12:03 PM   #1339
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Seriously, way to respect the rules Clark.

Oh, spare me. As you can see there's still debate about the role of injuries.

Clarifying that part of it is way more important than ZOMG someone in the 6th round in late July might have forgotten about Danny Manning!!!
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Old 05-11-2008, 12:31 PM   #1340
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Mini bump, because... who drafts next?
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Old 05-11-2008, 12:33 PM   #1341
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Victor. I pm'd him yesterday. He must've been out watching the Cavs.
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Old 05-11-2008, 12:33 PM   #1342
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Victor. I pm'd him yesterday. He must've been out celebrating the Cavs last victory of the season.
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Old 05-11-2008, 12:34 PM   #1343
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Hah. Wanna bet?
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Old 05-11-2008, 12:36 PM   #1344
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Hah. Wanna bet?
not really, im being a celtics fan, they looked so bad in game 3 i dont think we can win an away game period atm, so that means the cavs are due for 2 more wins. anyway, end /derail...

just how far is "the sf" going to slip???
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Old 05-11-2008, 01:27 PM   #1345
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Oh, spare me. As you can see there's still debate about the role of injuries.

Clarifying that part of it is way more important than ZOMG someone in the 6th round in late July might have forgotten about Danny Manning!!!
Actually, the rule is a little silly.
The point is to build a time according to your overall strategy and who is available, and to generate discussion by discussing choices.
If the whole pointof the draft is just to hope somebody makes a huge blunder because he just forget about somebody, I don't get it.
For instance, I have no problem with somebody discussing Drexler vs McHale just before the picks were made. The point of the game for me is who would you rather pick first to build around? Mc Hale or Drexler? Kidd or the other P.G.?
Not Oh my god I own the draft because everybody forgot that X was availaible.
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Old 05-11-2008, 01:38 PM   #1346
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Actually, the rule is a little silly.
The point is to build a time according to your overall strategy and who is available, and to generate discussion by discussing choices.
If the whole pointof the draft is just to hope somebody makes a huge blunder because he just forget about somebody, I don't get it.
For instance, I have no problem with somebody discussing Drexler vs McHale just before the picks were made. The point of the game for me is who would you rather pick first to build around? Mc Hale or Drexler? Kidd or the other P.G.?
Not Oh my god I own the draft because everybody forgot that X was availaible.
It's not about naming people, I have no problem with every player being named, it's about discussing players before they are picked. Drafts are supposed to be based on skill (ie. who can draft better), if everyone starts listing off the pro's/con's of each player, and why a certain player is a better fit/player than the one who was just picked, then people who have no clue what they are doing benefit greatly, and people who do get punished. That is not supposed to be how a draft works.

We might as well not even bother drafting, if everyone is going to debate the pros/cons of each player before they are drafted.
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Old 05-11-2008, 01:48 PM   #1347
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sorry all, i had to do family crap. sisters graduation. ill pick in a minute. should be a fun one.

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sorry if i dont write a great essay here but im actually busy for once.

im taking stoudemire bc hes an awesome and versatile scorer. it should be very easy to build a team around him bc he can run and can score in the half court set. he is possibly the most explosive player in the nba today and ever so his skillset will always be valuable.

so long as hes healthy, which is a concern. so is defense. but he is such a sick athlete that its also very possible he develops into a defensive monster and rick carlisle has a history of orchestrating such transformations.

some honors: 3 time all star. rookie of the year. 1st team all nba (stolen from lebron but whatever.) 2nd team all nba twice.

amare is perenially one of the most efficient offensive players in terms of per, true shooting % and shooting percentage. he rates very high in win shares and offensive win shares but im not really sure what that means. i think it means he scores on fools with ease. i like that.

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Old 05-11-2008, 02:07 PM   #1348
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he rates very high in win shares and offensive win shares but im not really sure what that means. i think it means he scores on fools with ease. i like that.
Quote of the thread so far.
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Old 05-11-2008, 02:09 PM   #1349
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how long were you looking for that pic?
oh nvm guess its the first one on google

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Old 05-11-2008, 02:11 PM   #1350
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Probably as long as I looked for this pic of Ewing

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