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Old 06-20-2008, 06:33 PM   #13251
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I reedited my post right away after i re-read it and put a lil explanation there becuase i was expecting this question to arise...youre too quick Battschr lol....

anyway - I strongly flt he was a Top 3 or 4 pick...was very surprised he sropped to 7....but in all honesty - I think Mark Jackson takes number 1 on this list.
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Old 06-20-2008, 06:35 PM   #13252
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Man, Durant actually may have been taken too high... Also, disagree pretty strongly with Pierce, he got taken about in the range he should've been, possibly also too high.
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Old 06-20-2008, 06:39 PM   #13253
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I reedited my post right away after i re-read it and put a lil explanation there becuase i was expecting this question to arise...youre too quick Battschr lol....
I don't disagree...I think Hakeem went too low, also...I was just asking where you would have taken him. I think 3 or 4 is about right.
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Old 06-20-2008, 06:41 PM   #13254
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Regarding Lee....

His roland ratings are great. He rebounds well, defends at least average, and scores efficiently. Hes precisely the type of player that winning teams have imo.
You passed on Durant? Your also in love with Durant, see your posts from last year when you thought he would be the #2 overall pick of current players or something rediculously high.

I love Lee, even picked him, but he's on the Knicks and they don't win with him on the team.
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Old 06-20-2008, 06:47 PM   #13255
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You passed on Durant? Your also in love with Durant, see your posts from last year when you thought he would be the #2 overall pick of current players or something rediculously high.

I love Lee, even picked him, but he's on the Knicks and they don't win with him on the team.
They would have been better had he been starting from the get.
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Old 06-20-2008, 06:56 PM   #13256
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Man, Durant actually may have been taken too high... Also, disagree pretty strongly with Pierce, he got taken about in the range he should've been, possibly also too high.
def not too high. I don't think he was insane value there, but if anything I think he fell a couple more spots than he should have. But end of round 1 feels about right to me.
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Old 06-20-2008, 06:57 PM   #13257
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Removing any of my own picks from consideration, the top ten value picks of the draft so far imo:

1. Durant 146
2. Moncrief 60
3. D Williams 49
4. Mullin 67
5. Pierce 39
6. Bowen 206
7. D Lee 224
8. E Jones 79
9. Pippen 25
10. Nance 53
Just missed the cut: Maggette 140
big dog 213?
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Old 06-20-2008, 07:01 PM   #13258
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also, i think theres a few guys out there that are tremendous value.

mashburn, butler and sprewel were good value imo.
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Old 06-20-2008, 07:04 PM   #13259
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anyway - I strongly flt he was a Top 3 or 4 pick...was very surprised he sropped to 7....but in all honesty - I think Mark Jackson takes number 1 on this list.
I think Hakeem deserved to go behind MJ, Magic, and Shaq for sure and honestly I think the LeBron over him pick will end up being good.

With that said, I can agree that he probably should have gone over Bird (but damn it's close). The real argument comes down to Hakeem vs. Duncan and I could see strong arguments for either side. I'd love to see this argument though.

Also, thanks for the kudos about Jackson. The bad thing in retrospect is I strongly considered Francis and Okur at that pick.

A top 10 wtf list would also be great to see a few people put together.
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Old 06-20-2008, 07:11 PM   #13260
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WTF list:


Worthy 37
Bynum 52
Marbury 68
Battier 89
Horford 101
Tarpley 204
Walker 215
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Old 06-20-2008, 07:18 PM   #13261
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"#241 + #360 for my #250 + #324"

trade with ePeen. i gotta shut off my computer, so i'll try to log on earlyish tomorrow in the unlikely occurrence that it's my pick by then
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Old 06-20-2008, 07:20 PM   #13262
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"#241 + #360 for my #250 + #324"

trade with ePeen. i gotta shut off my computer, so i'll try to log on earlyish tomorrow in the unlikely occurrence that it's my pick by then
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Old 06-20-2008, 07:22 PM   #13263
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Round 7, pick 241

Kendrick Perkins PF/C





Kendrick Perkins is a very good and arguably great defender at the age of only 23. He has improved a lot on defense this year (and this is barley due to KG as Perkins rarley got double team help when defending the post) as he continued to lose a lot of weight and gained a ton of mobility/muscle. He also worked on his defense with Clifford Ray who has constantly improved all of our young bigmen.

Here are the very good/great bigmen Perkins has done a very good/great job on throughout this year:

Pau Gasol didn't play during the regular season but did a great job vs the playoffs, Andrew Bynum 2-7 4 pts and 2-2 8 pts, Yao Ming 7-20 19 pts (didn't play 2nd game), Tim Duncan 10-20 22 pts and 4-8 10 pts, Chris Kaman 3-6 12 pts (didn't play 2nd game), Rasheed Wallace 3-10 9 pts 7-16 16 pts (he guarded Rasheed durin the reg season and for some reason Doc put KG on Rasheed during most of the post season, but when Perk was on him during the postseason he did a great job as well), Andrew Bogut 1-3 4 pts (didn't play second game) What made this even more impressive is Perkins recieved practically no help from double teams on any of these guys (like I said above). In other words it was just straight up 1v1 defense.

His DRTG this year was 97 (4th best in the entire NBA) and even before he improved his defense this year, his DRTG's were still impressive especially since he played on bad defensive teams (101, 102, 103, 105)

While Perkins 1v1 defense is very good and arguably great, he is also a very good help defender as well. His pick and roll defense this year has been absolutly amazing (a lot of this credited to his much increased mobility), and he is also good at blocking guards/sf's shots who beat their man off the dribble (averaged 2.1, 2.4, 2.8, 2.2, 2.1 blocks per 36).

Perkins is also a very good rebounder although the stats don't show this as much since he has played with 2 great rebounders in Big Al and KG. But before Big Al got serious minutes a year ago his rebounds per 36 where (14.4, 11.6, 10.9). When Big Al got serious minutes he averaged 8.5, and when KG came here he had 8.9. However Perkins man almost never gets an offensive rebound, which is very important and doesn't show up in the stats sheet. Perkins is also a very good offensive rebounder averaging 5.1, 3.5, 3.8, 2.6, 2.7 offensive rebounds per 36.

Looking at his stats some would say a knock on Perk is his limited minutes (he played 24.5 mpg this year which was a career high). However Celtics fans all know this is blamed on Doc and they would all agree Perk should have gotten at least 30 mpg (which I plan on playing him)

Perkins, while hardly an offensive force, has shown he can play with stars. This year his TS% was an amazing 631 and he scored 10 ppg per 36. This is much higher than his other years of 580, 515, 548, 518 because he no longer was asked to do anything on offense, just stay near the hoop for offensive rebounds and if his man leaves him be ready for an open dunk (which is the exact role he will play in my offense).

Perkins is also very intense and always gives 100% whenever he steps onto the court. When he is always on the bench he is always cheering for his teammates and trying to fire everyone up (you always need at least one guy on ur team like this).

Perkins allows me to have an amazing defensive starting 5 where everyone in it are very good/great defenders (Billups, Raja Bell, Deng, McHale, Perkins). Infact I would say this is probably the best defensive starting 5 in our entire league and we all know by now defense wins championships. However it is also a very good/great offensive team as well, with great shooting and players who command double teams. We only have 1 person on the floor who can't hit at least a midrange shot (Perkins) and he will be playing near the hoop, so the floor spacing will be great.
Team so far:

C: Kendrick Perkins
PF: Kevin McHale
SF: Luol Deng
SG: Raja Bell
PG: Chauncey Billups
6th man: SG Kevin Martin
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Old 06-20-2008, 07:24 PM   #13264
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hahahahahahahahaha i knew it
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Old 06-20-2008, 07:27 PM   #13265
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i like how your team is shaping out. i was pretty sure this is who you wanted.

one nitpick. as of right now, perkins is a foulbox and that's a big reason why he doesn't play more minutes. maybe this changes soon. i think you mentioned earlier that your peak starts 2-3 years after this league starts, and the development of perk/deng/martin makes your team a top team in that window imo
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Old 06-20-2008, 07:27 PM   #13266
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hahahahahahahahaha i knew it
LOL, I had the feeling that's who he was going for.

Not a big fan of this pick and don't like not starting Kevin Martin. Also, um no on you having the best defensive 5 so far.
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Old 06-20-2008, 07:30 PM   #13267
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Shark Doctor is right, coming up with a Top 10 WTF List is fun.

1. Roy Tarpley 204
2. Kelvin Ransey 222
3. Stephon Marbury 68
4. Antoine Walker 215
5. Andrew Bynum 52
6. Chris Paul 11
7. Shane Battier 89
8. Rajon Rondo 183
9. Derek Fisher 207
10. Calvin Natt (I thought we were picking real people?) 152
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Old 06-20-2008, 07:31 PM   #13268
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Also, um no on you having the best defensive 5 so far.
this is kind of pointless to say without naming which team(s) you think are better
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Old 06-20-2008, 07:31 PM   #13269
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And damn it, I wanted Perk as my back up center to play defense against twin towers and take over once Cartwright falls apart.
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Old 06-20-2008, 07:32 PM   #13270
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Shark Doctor is right, coming up with a Top 10 WTF List is fun.

1. Roy Tarpley 204
2. Kelvin Ransey 222
3. Stephon Marbury 68
4. Antoine Walker 215
5. Andrew Bynum 52
6. Chris Paul 11
7. Shane Battier 89
8. Rajon Rondo 183
9. Derek Fisher 207
10. Calvin Natt (I thought we were picking real people?) 152
I don't see how Marbury can't be the #1 WTF.
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Old 06-20-2008, 07:32 PM   #13271
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like the pick, like how your team is shaping out. i was pretty sure this is who you wanted.

one nitpick. as of right now, perkins is a foulbox and that's a big reason why he doesn't play more minutes. maybe this changes soon. i think you mentioned earlier that your peak starts 2-3 years after this league starts, and the development of perk/deng/martin makes your team a top team in that window imo
Ya he has to cut down on the fouls but that is def not a big reason why he doesn't play more minutes (Doc is the big reason). Perk isn't in foul trouble as often as you'd think.

But even if he gets in foul trouble I plan on getting a bigman to back him up obv, and the minutes he does play (he can easily play 30 mpg even with his "foul problems") will be very effective and help anchor my defense.
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Old 06-20-2008, 07:33 PM   #13272
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Hakeem can't be great value, because he's worse than Admiral.
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Old 06-20-2008, 07:35 PM   #13273
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LOL, I had the feeling that's who he was going for.

Not a big fan of this pick and don't like not starting Kevin Martin. Also, um no on you having the best defensive 5 so far.
If your not a big fan of this pick, please mention which bigmen who can play defense/rebound are better than Perk when they get picked (I can only think of one, and he could barley play center as he was undersized and I wanted good height which Perkins gives me and Perk also has really long arms too which make him play bigger than his height).

Also please name the better defensive teams than mine, I really can only think of is Assani's (and even if it isn't it's really really close).

And Kevin Martin will be my 6th man just like Manu was for the Spurs. You need offense when you go to the bench and Martin imo will be the best 6th man in the entire league.
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Old 06-20-2008, 07:36 PM   #13274
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I don't see how Marbury can't be the #1 WTF.
It's tough to weigh the picks of guys who barely played against a guy who played and killed his team.
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Old 06-20-2008, 07:39 PM   #13275
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this is kind of pointless to say without naming which team(s) you think are better
Teams I like better defensively than ePiPen's:

- Steroid Boy (Terry, Jordan, Smith, Howard, Camby)
- Assani (Harper, Penny, AK47, Duncan, Outlaw)
- Clark (Blaylock, Houston, Butler, Nance, Ewing)

Those are just the three that are better without a doubt (IMO) on the defensive end. There are several other teams I think you can make arguments for.
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