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Old 06-20-2008, 11:46 AM   #13201
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In bo's defense, VC dunked on just about everyone.
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Dude tasted Vince's fromunda cheese.
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Old 06-20-2008, 12:17 PM   #13202
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xman was on my list. always thought he was a very good player.
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Old 06-20-2008, 12:22 PM   #13203
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X suffered because a lot of people like me already took a wing guy who couldn't shoot a 3.
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Old 06-20-2008, 12:26 PM   #13204
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X threw a basketball at me once at a basketball camp so I hate him. Nice pick though.
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Old 06-20-2008, 01:13 PM   #13205
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So I would like someone else who has seen X play chime in on this - what was his D like?
I don't know about rave, I just wanted to state that even though his stats don't point to a defensive stopper, he also wasn't a complete slouch, which some people assume when they see his offensive heavy numbers.

He lost some credits on defensive end of the court because he played with Heavy D McKey, Tom Chambers, Mike Cage, Charles Oakley and Patrick Ewing.
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Old 06-20-2008, 01:25 PM   #13206
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really not a fan of the Bo pick. Assani's basic strategy seems to pick guys that no one else would pick so he can look cool. OK not really, but sorta. His write ups also are far too masturbatory, though. Especially since he forgets to include "team so far".

Dell Curry is the reason I hated the Wally pick and was meh on Chuck Person. Chuck I could admittedly just be biased on due to their roles (Chuck was a starter, first/2nd option type.. Del was mostly a 6th man instant offense), but there's no doubt Dell is better than Wally.

I like the Jalen pick. Considered him over Starks.

Not a huge fan of Herb Williams, but don't really hate it either. Like the Elden pick.
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Old 06-20-2008, 01:57 PM   #13207
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wellp, just PMed horizon, if he's online i'm going to not goto bed yet so i can make my pick
he was online for an hour after RUFF made the pick. megatilt like always, especially when its closer and closer to my pick.

i like the x-man pick
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Old 06-20-2008, 02:00 PM   #13208
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Dell Curry is the reason I hated the Wally pick and was meh on Chuck Person. Chuck I could admittedly just be biased on due to their roles (Chuck was a starter, first/2nd option type.. Del was mostly a 6th man instant offense), but there's no doubt Dell is better than Wally.
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Old 06-20-2008, 02:21 PM   #13209
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Some random thoughts

How can people love the curry pick and hate on wally it seems that wally is pretty much better in every facet of the game except getting steals and jacking up lots of shots.

Definitely like Outlaw as he is much better than these random shooter guys going around now and is excellent value. Though he seems to be a pretty poor fit on assani's team. I think he would better on a running team so the half court offense might be pretty bad, but that defense will be nasty.
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Old 06-20-2008, 02:31 PM   #13210
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I'm taking Dana Barros
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Old 06-20-2008, 02:39 PM   #13211
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i like picking a PG who is a very, very good shooter, considering LBJ will be doing a lot of the handling.
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Old 06-20-2008, 03:04 PM   #13212
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there's no doubt Dell is better than Wally.
Admittedly I never saw Dell play, but considering Wally is better in basically every statistical category I'd say there is some doubt. You might want to go ahead and back up your statement with some arguments because I'm not just going to take your word for it when there's really no evidence at all that you're right.
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Old 06-20-2008, 03:04 PM   #13213
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Barros is a solid pick, love the fit since LBJ is certainly capable of being the main facilitator and he can be used as more of a shooter.
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Old 06-20-2008, 03:09 PM   #13214
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barros rulez
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Old 06-20-2008, 03:29 PM   #13215
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I was pretty into Wally that first season he got traded to Boston, fwiw. He played pretty well, too. I wasn't so hot on him when he played 32 rather mediocre games the following year.

on second look Dell and Wally are quite similar, but I still like Dell better for the following reasons:

1 . Curry brunted a larger load of the offense than Wally, without much of a dropoff in efficiency. Wally shot the 2pt shots a bit better and is a better FT shooter, but not by a significant amount. Their 3pt% is pretty much identical. Curry was helped by the 3 seasons with the short line, but it didn't seem to benefit him that much, considering the 2 years after they went back to the old line he shot 42% and 47.6%. Plus, Curry's career numbers include his decline, and 1800 more 3pt attempts than Wally currently has.



2. Wally is already breaking down. Played 28 games right as his prime was starting. 32 games 3 years later as a 29 year old. Has shown statistical decline each of the past 2 years. He's 30.

Dell on the other hand was a solid contributor well into his mid 30s. He was a pretty average role player at 35-36, and was only truly 'bad' at 37.

3. Think Dell was a better defender. Both were mediocre/bad, but at least Dell could create some turnovers in the backcourt.
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Old 06-20-2008, 03:49 PM   #13216
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To say that Dell is without question better is a stretch, I'd say. Take a look at their statistics through 9 seasons.

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Rk  	Player  	        From  	To  	G  	MP  	PER  	TS%  	eFG%  	ORB%  	DRB%  	TRB%  	AST%  	STL%  	BLK%  	TOV%  	Usg%  	ORtg  	DRtg  	OWS  	DWS  	WS  	LS  	WSAA
1  	Dell Curry  	        1987  	1995  	645  	14328  	16.3  	.529  	.504  	3.1  	10.0  	6.6  	14.5  	2.3  	0.7  	9.9  	25.5  	104  	109  	30.4  	36.6  	69  	126  	-28.5
2 	Wally Szczerbiak 	2000 	2008 	577 	18525 	16.3 	.572 	.525 	4.0 	10.7 	7.4 	13.0 	1.0 	0.6 	10.8 	20.9 	113 	108 	96.7 	35.6 	132 	91 	20.5
Wally is much more efficient, even accounting for his lower usage. Dell is probably the better defender, all the box score stats are in his favor for what those are worth. I think you're trading longevity for a higher peak, and it's not as if Curry was John Stockton when it came to injuries either, he missed significant time his first two years in this league.
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Old 06-20-2008, 03:56 PM   #13217
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I'm guessing this is Wally's dad? http://www.basketball-reference.com/...szczewa01.html

Never knew about that. How come just one year? He was incredible!
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Old 06-20-2008, 04:01 PM   #13218
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I think you're trading longevity for a higher peak, and it's not as if Curry was John Stockton when it came to injuries either, he missed significant time his first two years in this league.
it's not a much higher peak, if at all, though. TS% isn't everything. Dell is definitely hurt in your side by side comparison by his first two seasons, as they weren't that good.

As for longevity, despite being hurt a bit, still manages to play a whole season more than Wally in their first 8 years.
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Old 06-20-2008, 04:03 PM   #13219
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it's not a much higher peak, if at all, though. TS% isn't everything. Dell is definitely hurt in your side by side comparison by his first two seasons, as they weren't that good.

As for longevity, despite being hurt a bit, still manages to play a whole season more than Wally in their first 8 years.
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Old 06-20-2008, 04:06 PM   #13220
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Bobbo PMed me earlier, he's taking Byron Russell.

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Old 06-20-2008, 04:13 PM   #13221
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it's not a much higher peak, if at all, though. TS% isn't everything. Dell is definitely hurt in your side by side comparison by his first two seasons, as they weren't that good.

As for longevity, despite being hurt a bit, still manages to play a whole season more than Wally in their first 8 years.

True, but again, injuries aren't exactly going to be the same in our league so that gap might not exist, and anyways, the point wasn't that Wally was much better than Dell, it's that they're fairly comparable players.
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Old 06-20-2008, 04:17 PM   #13222
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Byron Russell was the other guy besides Sean Elliott who I said was a good defender/good 3 pt shooter, very good pick.
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Old 06-20-2008, 04:19 PM   #13223
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Bryon was a pretty marginal role player. There are still a lot of marginal stars left in the draft. I guess Byron is slightly above average defensively though. Peak TS/PER is good/average but non-peak years were pretty bad.

He's really not that great of a 3 point shooter either. I know he played an important role in Utah's runs though. D is definitely going quick now though. I guess I'm glad most of my starters are good defensively.
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Old 06-20-2008, 04:20 PM   #13224
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his name is Bryon
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Old 06-20-2008, 04:21 PM   #13225
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Byron was a pretty marginal role player. There are still a lot of marginal stars left in the draft. I guess Byron is slightly above average defensively though. Peak TS/PER is good/average but non-peak years were pretty bad.

He's really not that great of a 3 point shooter either. I know he played an important role in Utah's runs though. D is definitely going quick now though. I guess I'm glad most of my starters are good defensively.
I can only think of 1 player left who played SG/SF and is arguably better at both defense and 3pt shooting than Russell (this includes all the marginal stars left)

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