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Old 06-17-2008, 09:05 PM   #12951
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Re: Modern Era NBA Build a Franchise Draft Discussion

I am not going to get into an argument w/ Epi and Nicholas, but a comment like "Player X is really good @ defense, he just spends too much energy on offense and therefore is only ok @ defense" is a terrible argument. I'll let you guys figure out why, since you both are bright. (So JJ is, at best, average at defense, but likely sub-par)

I knew about the Sean Elliot pick for a longtime since I traded the pick to Lurchy, obv, and I like it. Good thing is the injuries dont occur until a bunch of years, so you get incredible value for a good period of time before you no longer et him.

Im excited to see BLJ's pick too.
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Old 06-17-2008, 09:22 PM   #12952
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I feel like I should address the 'Toine thing, considering he's my (2nd) favorite player of all time. (A) No 4 pt'ers might be my favorite quote of all time. (B) The wiggle might be my favorite celebration move of all time. But as much as I love the guy, he's turrrrrrrible for this sort of league. He's the type of guy that has so much all around skill that he can carry a bad team (+ Paul Pierce), but chuckers like him aren't good in this league because there's so much efficient scoring to go around.
This is definitely the best endorsement of my pick so far, and it included the word 'turrrrrrible'.

LOL - thanks tho, I really don't think its THAT bad of a pick. I think he will work well for instant offense + be a good utility guy for going up-tempo.
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Old 06-17-2008, 09:43 PM   #12953
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I'm not sure you realize how terrible of a shooter Antoine Walker is. He is probably what would happen if Bruce Bowen was forced to take 20 shots per game.
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Old 06-17-2008, 10:04 PM   #12954
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Round 6, Pick 221: RUN JMC selects: Bonzi Wells



I feel that my starting 5 has a strong core of guys who can run and cause some trouble. I could use some perimeter defensive help off the bench and thats where Bonzi comes in. Wells has posted some pretty sick defensive ratings in his career and is a tank to try and get by. On offense, Wells is a threat on the block due to his strength and ability to post up smaller players. Coming off the bench is nothing new for Bonzi...he's done it better for some teams than others. He clashed a bit with JVG over conditioning but it was later resolved. Unlike some of the other defensive players drafted recently, Bonzi isn't completely useless on offense which I find to be a tremendous plus. Plus, with the Suns trainers, conditioning won't be an issue so I have the perfect 6th man LDO. He's another great rebounder too which will help at fascilitating fast breaks.

Team so far:
PG: Jason Kidd
SG: Mitch Richmond
SF: Corey Maggette
PF: Al Horford
C: Ralph Sampson

SG/SF: Bonzi Wells

FaDi on the clock...
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Old 06-17-2008, 10:07 PM   #12955
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nice pick imo
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Old 06-17-2008, 10:08 PM   #12956
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hopefully this doesn't restart that whole argument again
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Old 06-17-2008, 10:12 PM   #12957
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I love the Bonzi pick, i would also consider starting him over Maggette...
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Old 06-17-2008, 10:13 PM   #12958
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I don't see how this could restart the McHale argument.
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Old 06-17-2008, 10:13 PM   #12959
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I LOVE BONZI! nice pick man
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Old 06-17-2008, 10:14 PM   #12960
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i like. if you use him right, bonzi can be a very good player. he loves to post up and go one on one, and he's an asset on defense (and the boards). basically he's good at everything where he can bang and be physical.

injuries, attitude and conditioning are problems, but who doesn't have problems in the 6th? still pretty crazy though

i would have liked him more in an inverted offense, because his jump shooting leaves a lot to be desired, and his post skills are somewhat redundant. him and maggette can bring the ****ing pain though
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Old 06-17-2008, 10:15 PM   #12961
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i read somewhere that bonzi ate mickeyds every day for his first few yrs in the league.
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Old 06-17-2008, 10:17 PM   #12962
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i read somewhere that bonzi ate mickeyds and smoked an ounce every day for his first few yrs in the league.
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Old 06-17-2008, 10:20 PM   #12963
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it seems like this happens all the time. i dont know whether it's "oh **** it's my pick gotta go" or coincidence, but people not being ready tilts me.

the spirit of the lack of a time-rule (correct me if i'm wrong) was to accommodate for people not being able to get online due to work/sleep/whatever, not for people to be like "oh ****, its my pick i have a day or two to do some research".

i'm grumpy and that's my opinion, so take it for what it is

i also think that this is why 11th and 12th rounds would be bad, because it's already bogging down as we get late and more research is needed to figure out who to pick.
this is correct.
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Old 06-17-2008, 10:23 PM   #12964
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I'm not sure you realize how terrible of a shooter Antoine Walker is. He is probably what would happen if Bruce Bowen was forced to take 20 shots per game.
I was actually going to say something like this but I felt like I was piling on. Walker's career is what you'd have if you took a normal scrub player and went to him as if he were a star.
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Old 06-17-2008, 10:29 PM   #12965
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Like most have said, Bonzi is cool. I like the fact that he's pretty good at a lot of things.
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Old 06-17-2008, 10:38 PM   #12966
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Bonzi's a pretty good defender and rebounder. I think his biggest problem kind of hurts you, though. Your only real efficient players on O are Richmond and Maggette, and when one of them has to sit you're going to be playing 4 below shooters. Of course, that can be remedied, just putting it out there.
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Old 06-17-2008, 10:42 PM   #12967
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I was actually going to say something like this but I felt like I was piling on. Walker's career is what you'd have if you took a normal scrub player and went to him as if he were a star.
I still think 'toine is getting somewhat underrated for his all around game, but I'm coming around. I think he will still be useful for me (maybe 3rd or 4th off the bench), but I think I should have went in another direction for my primary reserve.

He did do a good job as a reserve for Miami in their championship year (career best TS% of .524), which appears to have been his last year @ his peak ability (and arguably he wasn't @ his peak anymore then either). Boston went from a 44 win team to a 36 win team after trading Antoine, so its not like getting rid of him was addition by subtraction.

Those are the last 2 arguments I'm going to make for Antoine. You guys have convinced me that I went too high for him w/ this pick.

I wanted Glenn Robinson most with that pick. What was the concensus on him?
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Old 06-17-2008, 10:51 PM   #12968
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Big Dog was pretty awesome
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Old 06-17-2008, 10:52 PM   #12969
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Big Dog was pretty awesome
I agree.
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Old 06-17-2008, 10:57 PM   #12970
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I still think 'toine is getting somewhat underrated for his all around game, but I'm coming around. I think he will still be useful for me (maybe 3rd or 4th off the bench), but I think I should have went in another direction for my primary reserve.

He did do a good job as a reserve for Miami in their championship year (career best TS% of .524), which appears to have been his last year @ his peak ability (and arguably he wasn't @ his peak anymore then either). Boston went from a 44 win team to a 36 win team after trading Antoine, so its not like getting rid of him was addition by subtraction.

Those are the last 2 arguments I'm going to make for Antoine. You guys have convinced me that I went too high for him w/ this pick.

I wanted Glenn Robinson most with that pick. What was the concensus on him?
All you need to know about Antoine Walker
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Old 06-18-2008, 12:02 AM   #12971
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Man I was hoping Gminski would fall to me. blah
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Old 06-18-2008, 12:18 AM   #12972
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I'm going to be heading to bed in about 30 minutes. Can I PM my pick (I'm after Fadi) to some people? I have the writeup and all that ready to go.
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Old 06-18-2008, 12:18 AM   #12973
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#17 IS FOR THE WIGGLE!!!
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Old 06-18-2008, 12:25 AM   #12974
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I should be on for a couple of hours, feel free to PM it to me.
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Old 06-18-2008, 12:25 AM   #12975
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Seafood, I'll probably be up for a bit if you want to PM me your pick/info.
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