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Old 06-17-2008, 02:07 PM   #12901
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Skip NPP for missing the "Teams" tab IMO.
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Old 06-17-2008, 02:13 PM   #12902
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Zoidberg -

I know your team isn't going to be able to post up the Shaqs/Dunans of the world, but right now you can't post up anybody. Cage is great and all, but you basically just took Brian Grant's backup in round 6. From 24-30, Cage gives you 12/11 per 36. There are guys that are bigger than Cage that can give you almost 20/10 over than same age range, so in addition to setting screen and rebounding, the can give you scoring too.

Cage is a nice player, and I will say that his longevity is prob unmatched, but I don't think that's enough to offset the dropoff in scoring v. Other available players.

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Old 06-17-2008, 02:57 PM   #12903
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Elliot= great pick, imo.
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Old 06-17-2008, 02:59 PM   #12904
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re: the harris pick
i like it, i think this is where he should have gone. no way BPA of active players (although i have him 3rd, so maybe he could be). interesting thing is my plan for the 5th/6th was to take rondo/harris with close to the same reasoning as nich, but there was way too much value left at my pick to do so. interesting team though, basically redundancies across the board (2 very similar PG, 2 very similar wings, 2 similar bigs). not necessarily bad, but we'll have to see

re: elliot
good pick, not much else to say. he never really scored much (except for a couple years), but he's a good shooter and plays above average defense, so i can live with that.
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Old 06-17-2008, 03:31 PM   #12905
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Re: Devin Harris

Personally, Ive never really been impressed with him as a player, I would consider him average for the present day PGs. There are a number of retired guys I would have selected over him.

I think there is a better present day PG available too, but its close.

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Old 06-17-2008, 03:43 PM   #12906
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I'd take Harris over a lot of the point guards taken in the last round or so. I'd rather have him than Fat Lever, Hinrich, Rondo, Derek Fisher, maybe one or two others.
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Old 06-17-2008, 03:45 PM   #12907
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no way, no (but fairly close), yes, yes
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Old 06-17-2008, 04:40 PM   #12908
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no way, no (but fairly close), yes, yes
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Old 06-17-2008, 04:42 PM   #12909
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Personally, Ive never really been impressed with him as a player, I would consider him average for the present day PGs. There are a number of retired guys I would have selected over him.

I think there is a better present day PG available too, but its close.

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His stats are much better than a lot of the guys selected recently, he's never had rediculous stats b/c most of the time he's shared time with Terry. He's efficient, he's tall for a PG and he can play D against fast PGs (Parker). If you take a look at a lot of the PGs left, their TS% is extremely low, his is 57% which is high for most players much less a PG. His ASS% isn't extremely high, but it's high enough and in NJ he should be more of a goto PG now. Also in Dallas they didn't run a PG dominanted O when he was there, yet his a/36 is still quite high. I don't think that great but most of the guys remaining at PG are pretty terrible. Is the other pg your talking about young? If he is his TS% is rediculously low. Now TS% for a PG isn't the be all to end all but I'd prefer one that's higher than one that's lower especially if he can play D as well as just about any PG left.
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Old 06-17-2008, 04:51 PM   #12910
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my only real concern about Devin is I've got questions about his b-ball IQ. I can't say with certainty it's low but I haven't seen a ton of evidence it's high, either. He's had a short leash of sorts. Still think he was ~BPA. I personally think he's better than Hinrich but Hinrich fits his team better.

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Old 06-17-2008, 04:55 PM   #12911
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His stats are much better than a lot of the guys selected recently, he's never had rediculous stats b/c most of the time he's shared time with Terry. He's efficient, he's tall for a PG and he can play D against fast PGs (Parker). If you take a look at a lot of the PGs left, their TS% is extremely low, his is 57% which is high for most players much less a PG. His ASS% isn't extremely high, but it's high enough and in NJ he should be more of a goto PG now. Also in Dallas they didn't run a PG dominanted O when he was there, yet his a/36 is still quite high. I don't think that great but most of the guys remaining at PG are pretty terrible. Is the other pg your talking about young? If he is his TS% is rediculously low. Now TS% for a PG isn't the be all to end all but I'd prefer one that's higher than one that's lower especially if he can play D as well as just about any PG left.
nobody is doubting that he has had a very good TS%, and is very good on defense. he is an explosive player and a good fit for many offenses. the problems with him (and therefore the reasons he dropped) are:
injuries (history and disposition due to build/style), lack of range (yet he still shoots 3s), and track record. he's only an average passer, but that's not a huge minus or anything.

pretty sure the guy you're thinking about isn't the guy he's thinking about btw

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Old 06-17-2008, 04:59 PM   #12912
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lol @ more than one person calling Devin Harris the best player avaliable, like seriously?
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Old 06-17-2008, 05:00 PM   #12913
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I will have my pick up in less than 20 minutes dudes
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Old 06-17-2008, 05:02 PM   #12914
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lol @ more than one person calling Devin Harris the best player avaliable, like seriously?
I meant amongst active players.
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Old 06-17-2008, 05:03 PM   #12915
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lol @ more than one person calling Devin Harris the best player avaliable, like seriously?
lol @ NOBODY calling him the BPA.

reading comprehension ftw

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Old 06-17-2008, 05:03 PM   #12916
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I don't know about BAP, but I think he was BAPG.
He has moderate injury concerns I don't think they are major. I just didn't think if you drafted Rondo you would need Devin Harris as well.

Also my bad about the TS%, it's 56% not 57% I was doing it off the top of my head. And it's ast%.
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Old 06-17-2008, 05:15 PM   #12917
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fwiw, i would think his career path (with regards to injuries) will probably be something like doc rivers'. i have him as BPA of active PG, but 4th overall PG. he could easily become what we would consider a great value at this spot, and he could also not. who knows. definitely has the tools though
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Old 06-17-2008, 05:16 PM   #12918
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I meant amongst active players.
He isn't even the best player avaliable among active players (assuming everyone in the league right now ur getting back when they were 24 like u will in this draft).
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Old 06-17-2008, 05:18 PM   #12919
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devin turned 24 last year so i get him starting year 3, not year 1 like with rondo
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Old 06-17-2008, 05:19 PM   #12920
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amongst active players i think it's pretty bad to say he's BPA but i think he's easily within the top 5, disagree?
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Old 06-17-2008, 05:22 PM   #12921
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amongst active players i think it's pretty bad to say he's BPA but i think he's easily within the top 5, disagree?
It's arguable, there are like 10 players really close to eachother and Harris is in that group
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Old 06-17-2008, 05:26 PM   #12922
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He has moderate injury concerns I don't think they are major. I just didn't think if you drafted Rondo you would need Devin Harris as well.
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Old 06-17-2008, 05:34 PM   #12923
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Saying Devin Harris was BPA, or even BPGA is pretty dumb because everyone has different criteria and will inevitably disagree, so all it does is make you look foolish because you can't argue without naming undrafted players.

With that said, I think he's very close to BPA, especially compared to others that have recently been taken.
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Old 06-17-2008, 05:36 PM   #12924
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Add me to the list of ppl that don't get Rondo+Harris. I guess the argument is that one of the two has to turn into a supastar, so get both and hedge your bets.

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Old 06-17-2008, 05:37 PM   #12925
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I pick Mike Gminski, write up in draft thread.
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