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Old 06-17-2008, 01:21 AM   #12851
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wiggle = intangibles

intangibles ftw
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Old 06-17-2008, 01:22 AM   #12852
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I'm pretty sure his ppg even though it took him a ridiculous amount of shots to get it and his teams doing decent/well got him into all-star games.
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Old 06-17-2008, 01:32 AM   #12853
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for clarification, if a player played a few games in the NBA at 24, played ball somewhere else for 7 years, and then came back, what happens?
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Old 06-17-2008, 01:36 AM   #12854
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wiggle = intangibles

intangibles ftw
Even tho this is an obvious joke, Walker did actually bring intangibles, he was a very great motivator and always played hard which rubbed off on his teammates.

And I hate Walker too but this was something he was great at.

Someone like Pierce needs someone like Walker or KG (two great motivators who play with constant energy/intensity who Pierce can look up to/get motivated by) because Pierce is def not a natural leader but Walker/KG are.

But um ya leadership won't show up on basketball referance so it doesn't count.
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Old 06-17-2008, 01:44 AM   #12855
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ePeen when he's so loving and condescending like that
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Old 06-17-2008, 02:05 AM   #12856
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for clarification, if a player played a few games in the NBA at 24, played ball somewhere else for 7 years, and then came back, what happens?
you'd get him at 24. Whether or not he stays in the NBA in our hypothetical league is anyone's guess and you'd have to argue that he'd choose to stay if you want.
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Old 06-17-2008, 02:45 AM   #12857
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you'd get him at 24. Whether or not he stays in the NBA in our hypothetical league is anyone's guess and you'd have to argue that he'd choose to stay if you want.
ok thanks. the guy in question is utterly useless then
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Old 06-17-2008, 06:01 AM   #12858
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I think its pretty obvious that most posters are forgetting these classic Antoine moments:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxHdQ5bFQYI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nghhv...eature=related
I urge you all to watch all 23 of these, they're ****ing incredible.
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Old 06-17-2008, 08:07 AM   #12859
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has devin harris been drafted? if not, i take him
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Old 06-17-2008, 08:09 AM   #12860
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Good pick.
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Old 06-17-2008, 08:21 AM   #12861
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I urge you all to watch all 23 of these, they're ****ing incredible.
Yeah. I like this one the best:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s126zdgjUJA&feature=user
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Old 06-17-2008, 08:34 AM   #12862
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Devin Harris is better than a bunch of PG's picked before him imo, I really like the pick, even if it took you too long to make it
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Old 06-17-2008, 08:38 AM   #12863
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He's better than Rondo imo although Rondo is only 21.
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Old 06-17-2008, 08:41 AM   #12864
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Very good to have both though, although neither is a great shooter, both should work very well with JJ and Jason Richardson.
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Old 06-17-2008, 08:43 AM   #12865
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Yeah, Devin Harris is better than Rajon Rondo. He was by far the BPA of all currently active players. He can really score, although he also lacks a jumpshot. He's big, and he can defender quicker pgs no problem. He was one of the most important pieces on the rogged 05-06 finals team.

I figured Harris was going real soon when a couple people asked me about him.
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Old 06-17-2008, 08:45 AM   #12866
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Wow, Devin Harris. He was one of the BPA and imo the 2nd-4th best PG available. But I honestly do not understand your team. It is:

Alonzo + Buck (2 very good defensive bigs manning the 4/5)
JJ + JRich (2 subpar, to be nice, defensive wings manning the 2/3)
Rajon + Harris? (2 very good defensive PGs, but guys who really can't play anything BUT PG)

So far just seems you have a tiny 1-2-3 on the court, clearly this could change w/ other picks, but on a need basis I just don't get Harris. That said, I think he's better than Rondo and Rondo should be the one coming off the bench...

Also, I am trading my pick to LurchySoprano
The trade is:
He gets pick 219, 265, 342
I get pick 229, 269, 292

(So it's -10, -4, +50)

My thoughts on the past few picks in one spot: (Then it's bedtime!)
Devin Harris
As noted above, this is a good BPA pick but not a good fit (in terms of need). Interestingly, I would've liked him as your 5th round pick (when you took Rondo) because Harris' strengths truly compliment your wings (who are both good shooters) plus he's nearly the same defender Rondo is. I think your wing defense will be a little weak, but overall I like your balance. Devin Harris is a really good 3rd or 4th option for this team. (I'm assuming JJ will get the bulk shots, then 'Zo, Jrich, Harris, with Buck doing the cleanup)

Michael Cage
I honestly thought you picked a Mortal Kombat contestant. For whatever reason he escaped my vision, as I never saw him play and he didn't turn up in my searches. Cage looks like solid value: Efficient, above average rebounder, solid defender. I want to say who I feel is his NBA equivalent but he hasn't been drafted yet. His longevity/durability is awesome too. I guess the only knocks are his FT shooting (but he rarely gets to the line so this is unimportant) and it looks like he wasn't capable of passing (5% Ast% is almost half Mchales!). That said, as others have mentioned, why did you draft him? You're LOADED with rebounding as Biedrins and Grant are rebounders first. Also, this is a question directed to those who have seen Cage (Seadood, mainly) can he run? Your team is a running team so that seems to be important to "fit".

Kendall Gill
battschr, I'm sorry people were more interested in debating Posey and Pierce then discussing your pick. I always thought of Gill as a journeyman who was league average for a long time. Double checking his stats (for the record, I did see him when I watched all those Nets playoff runs - even with Kidd he just wasn't good @ scoring) his sub .500 TS really sticks out. My thought pre and post stat review is he's the epitome of an average defender, and a guy who really "can't" play more than 20 mpg. Problem with him is he's a SG who just wasn't a good shooter (~30% 3s on barely any a game) and wasn't even that athletic. So... I don't like the pick. I think there are better SGs for this spot in every facet. It looks like he's your 6th man too - I hate saying it but I don't like your team. You got a steal in the first w/ Pippen but have surrounded him with 2 centers (one of which injury prone, the other is insanely inefficient) and a shoot-first PG. And your first guy off the bench can't spread the floor. Ugh.

Antoine Walker
This is where we were before the conversation stalled. As others have said, another poor choice for the multitude of reasons mentioned. If he's your towel waver though, that would be awesome.

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Interestingly I think this has been a bad round of selections. The ~3rd+ have been outstanding and now I feel people are taking reaches, fringe roleplayers, and passing on a ton of quality. All the better for me I suppose!
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Old 06-17-2008, 08:46 AM   #12867
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Jack knew I was going to take him, blah. Modify plan. Wanted a big pg who could defend to go with Timmy. Just didn't think the guy who took Rondo would take Harris they are very similar e/c Rondo is younger, can rebound and Harris can pass better and is more efficient.
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Old 06-17-2008, 08:47 AM   #12868
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Yeah, Devin Harris is better than Rajon Rondo. He was by far the BPA of all currently active players. He can really score, although he also lacks a jumpshot. He's big, and he can defender quicker pgs no problem. He was one of the most important pieces on the rogged 05-06 finals team.

I figured Harris was going real soon when a couple people asked me about him.
JoA, you're normally not prone to hyperbole, so I'll forgive you, but the above statement is incorrect. (Although Devin Harris is certainly up there)

*Note his injury this year was a broken bone and nothing that SHOULD linger, although he's not a "10" on the durability scale either.
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Old 06-17-2008, 08:54 AM   #12869
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i def would disagree with calling joe johnson a sub-par defender
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Old 06-17-2008, 08:56 AM   #12870
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i def would disagree with calling joe johnson a sub-par defender
Well you would be wrong then. This isn't a matter of opinion. He's at best average, and likely sub-par.
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Old 06-17-2008, 09:00 AM   #12871
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Bobbo,

I guess I really disagree... I think Nich has one of the top 5 best teams imo. Obviously Harris/Rondo is a little redundant but since both are so young I think it just helps to have two in case one doesn't ever really improve much and I really, really like the starting 5. Who cares if JJ/Richardson are slightly below average, neither is an absolute nothing like a Peja or something, and with two good defenders in the middle, particularly 'Zo, you don't need elite wing defense. Richardson/Johnson together totally eliminates the issue of having a PG who can't shoot 3s, you can just have your PG dribble penetrate or cut along the baseline looking for an open layup (which both Harris and Rondo can do very effectively as they are both so agile and fast).
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Old 06-17-2008, 09:03 AM   #12872
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Xorbie, I never said he doesn't have a strong team. Quite the contrary (let me repost)

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but overall I like your balance. Devin Harris is a really good 3rd or 4th option for this team. (I'm assuming JJ will get the bulk shots, then 'Zo, Jrich, Harris, with Buck doing the cleanup)
Again though, with the specific pick, since he DOES have Rondo, I just don't get it, since perhaps a big or wing off the bench is more important than moving Rondo to the role of 10-15 mpg defensive ace.

I think Nicholas has a real chance to be above average in both offense and defense, as well as having an exciting team (the dunking between Jrich and Zo obv). He has a slasher, post presence, great rebounding - his only weaknesses right now are a very small backcourt and perhaps his bench will be thin, but this depends on who he drafts to follow.
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Old 06-17-2008, 09:06 AM   #12873
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My bad, I misread. Agreed with the rest, but there will still be some available talent.
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Old 06-17-2008, 09:17 AM   #12874
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I actually like harris starting for him instead of rondo
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Old 06-17-2008, 09:21 AM   #12875
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Wish Nicholas would put more effort into his writeups, thats for sure....
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