I agree with you that Clark often starts arguments then just stops responding.

I still disagree on Posey, and I think you guys continue to overrate today's role players and underrate role players of yesteryear. Not to pick on you EPip because I'm sure that there are others, but you've mentioned that you've never even heard of some of the role players from the 80s that have been selected. Do you not see how you most likely, therefore, overrate today's role players and underrate older ones?

I don't mind Posey, and its not a horrific pick at all imo. But it was a reach.

woops, thought about a different robertson.

gary stevenson is a good friend of mine, he is the guy i go to all the celtics games with, and has a ton of posts because he posts in a variety of forums. i think he doesn't post that much in sporting events because it's a bit overwhelming, although he does love BBV.

bobbo, is pp top 10 d in the league?

The bolded is what guys like you and EPip don't seem to understand. Even though Posey can hit the open 3 better than Carmelo, the defense will still respect Carmelo more than Posey when Pierce drives(thereby giving Pierce more open space). There are other aspects of spotting up besides hitting an open 3. You can't leave a good driver wide open because you'll be out of position once he starts his move to the hole and that is suicide against an elite finisher for example.

lol, nice.

glad to have ainge on my team!

To clarify we were saying he was a top 10 defensive SG/SF not top 10 defender out of every position.

I gotta concur w/ epi here, i think franchise fired away a low blow. that said, he built it up beautifully, and does deserve SOME props for that.

absolutely not.

Disagree, I think your point works a lot better with players like Wade/Ellis who are insanley quick than a player like Carmelo who is a lot slower, being able to meet Carmelo at the ft line or a little below is a lot better than having to meet Wade/Ellis at the ft line or a little below.

and to clarify even further, its only when he wants to be which happens to coincide with when he does well.

pp for def player of the yr imo.

And to clarify even further than that, it's when he doesn't have to shoulder the entire offensive load and actually has people around him that will allow him not to have to create a shot for himself or his teammates on almost every possession.

Ya kinda like how you said Steve Nash was better than Lebron.

EPip,

Still waiting for you to admit you're wrong and change your mind about one single thing over the course of this thread.


Assani

I'm going to reclarify my stance on PP's defense, because this year it's been incredible (that said, he's likely the fourth best defender on the team, and maybe only fifth best, since KG, then Perk and Rondo are better, and Posey is close) and it's always been "good". I would say:

is he a top 10 overall defender in THIS league? Absolutely not
is he a top 10 overall defender in the CURRENT NBA? Absolutely not
is he a top 10 overall wing defender in THIS league? Absolutely not
is he a top 10 overall wing defender in the CURRENT NBA? Probably, but I'd need to crunch notes.
is he a top 10 overall defensive SF (thus, top ~20 wing defender) in THIS league? I'd say probably.
is he a top 10 overall defensive SF in the current NBA? Obviously, but this doesn't mean a whole lot.

Not sure why we got stuck on Paul Pierce though. The more important Q is Posey, and I reckon they are very similar defensively, but would probably give a small nod to Posey. That said, the acclaims I posted above are my thoughts about Posey's defense too. To those that include him in the Raja Bell, Bruce Bowen, Shane Battier category: You're out of your mind.

Assani still waiting for you to learn how to spell my name correctly.

EPiPeN11

If you can't joke about a guy blowing dudes than whats the point of joking?

ok im just gonna say double standard.

Hey man you are the one who said Nash was better than Lebron not me

Quote:

To those that include him in the Raja Bell, Bruce Bowen, Shane Battier category: You're out of your mind.

good gawd thanks for some sanity, i can finally go to bed.

Yea cause people put him in that catagory....(no one did)

Oh ya and notice how Bobbo said PP was probably a top 10 SG/SF defender in the current NBA...um ya go to bed

On defense, Pierce/Posey are margainlly better(if at all) than a ton of guys who won't even go drafted imo.

I never made the claim that I could spell it correctly. I believe you said that you do indeed go into debates with an open mind and a willingness to change your opinion, did you not?

Yes I did Assani