+1 my exact point

Also Bowen can hurt his team offensively and we've seen that in the playoffs having to sub Bown out. Theoretically though this should be less of an issue in this league because you are going to have very good scorers pretty far down your depth chart, whereas in SA they didn't have that when Manu went cold... Still, I love the Bowen pick.

I can buy the argument for Battier/Bell/Posey. These guys can do other things beside hit the 3 from the corner. If Bowen is forced to do anything other than shoot a corner 3 he's ridiculously bad at it. Plus, Battier and Posey are actually good rebounders, unlike Bowen who just parks his ass at the corner and waits for someone to double one of the best post players of all time.

Hmm... if someone had drafted Carmelo Anthony with their first 5 picks I guess it would address point #2. Now tell me, who in the league has drafted like this?

But this isn't true. You can't just magically forget about everytime they don't shoot a 3, right? A guy like Bruce Bowen still shoots a lot of 2s and that's gonna hurt you everytime he takes that shot (or goes to the line).

People realize this, but they also realize just because some people who "create their own shot" are terrible, doesn't mean that everyone who has to creat their own shot is inefficient.

On your second point... who has drafted like this? Seriously, you keep saying stuff like this but you still haven't said anything specific.

The guy who had the Wade/Ellis/Wallace team, the Jordan team is also like this except for 1 3pt shooter (Terry), Lebron team only has 1 3pt shooter too (Petrovic), the Duncan team has very little 3pt shooting as well, heck even ur team lacks top knotch 3pt shooting except for Porter


Of course not, but Bowen's 3pt percentage means a lot more than his 2pt percentage, because even when hes NOT shooting 3's (ie. standing in the corner), he is still a factor because of his high 3pt percentage from there (ie. forcing the defense to stay with him).

I never said everyone who created their own shot is inefficient, just that players who create their own shot their percentages go down.

Come on. JR Smith plays a lot of his minutes against backups, is fresher when he plays and plays on a significantly faster paced and better offensive teams than Ben Gordon. And Gordon has done what he is doing for 3-4 years, JR Smith for 1 if that.

Ok my internet has been out for a week and is still out (at panera) did it get to me yet?

They both played against backups, and both players were on the floor late in games. Even if you adjust for pace JR had better numbers. Experience plays a factor, but that's one of the few things Ben has on KR. Even so, JR has improved every season, whereas Ben Gordon's numbers went a little south last year. So yeah Ben has 4 years of similar play to JR's 2, but JR is already a better player at a younger age. He has more size, length, athleticism, and has more weapons in his arsenal. Most importantly, his career is decidedly on the upturn at 24 whereas Ben's seems to have stagnated or possibly gone down.

If this were a real draft, the player already who's better and been improving year by year would almost always go above the guy who's been consistently good. Especially when you factor that this player is bigger, faster, and more athletic.

Even if you buy into the "played against bench players" line, then that means that he also played with bench players, making his job as a scorer harder. He also played in a tougher conference against tougher competition... but I don't think any of those arguments hold water.

nope, but we're close!

I think most players chosen since Posey are better than Posey.

Jerome Kersey is an absurdly good pick here.

Ben Gordon has played on a team with zero offensive gameplan and less than zero post play for his whole career. He's basically been forced into an Iverson dribble around and create role, especially last year. He would be vastly better on a team with other options and an actual offensive game plan.

I was wondering where Employee #8 would go. He would be an awesome player if he wasn't such an unrepentant chucker.

Still want to trade up after being shot down approx. 51935935 times.

man how do you not have a youtube link to an antoine shimmy? i love antoine/your team just because they are so "cool". hopefully someone can explain it better than me

3 picks, matt

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksnHH...eature=related

jesus christ, im looking at old highlights, hakeem was just as quick as a perimeter player, blocking that shot. wow.

i really like the music they play during those highlights, it's a little sappy but really cool

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhETq...eature=related

this one just sucks the life out of me watching it.

Bruce bowen shooting % does not force the defense to stay with him as the sole reaon he's shooting such a high % is because the defense left him alone in the corner.
He's a terrible offensive player.

lol - good call

mods: for some reason I can't edit my post in the "draft only" thread, would you please put the following link in my antoine walker post:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwsbJa9QyKo&NR=1

I can't find it right now (on my phone) but you gotta link to the same clip with the Marv Albert call.

D

EDIT: should this be linked right now? This player hasn't been taken yet.

i tend to disagree with about 80% of tbach's posts

because there are no 4s!

I have no idea what it means or what it calculates, but Antoine is -109.5 WSAA for his career. Like I said, I'm sure what it means, but dear lord, that's an absurdly large negative number. Oh, and he's also led the league in loss shares a staggering 5 times during his career, which again, I have no idea what it means, but I don't think it's good. Oh, and he's a chucker with a career .484 TS%. So yeah, not sure I'd want him on my team.

The funny part is that not many people know what these numbers mean, yet they use them quite seriously in trying to discuss the validity of a player.