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Old 06-13-2008, 12:31 AM   #12126
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probably somewhere between james posey and shaq
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Old 06-13-2008, 12:32 AM   #12127
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i see no reason for 2 more rounds. we're running out of talent fast.

btw Posey was an excellent ****ing pick
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Old 06-13-2008, 12:37 AM   #12128
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i see no reason for 2 more rounds. we're running out of talent fast.

btw Posey was an excellent ****ing pick
No way dude he is just a role player....
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Old 06-13-2008, 12:42 AM   #12129
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I was going to go for the Scalabrine/Matt Bonner twin towel wavers, but bah, you guys are no fun.
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Old 06-13-2008, 12:43 AM   #12130
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i might actually take Bonner gotta represent New England.
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Old 06-13-2008, 12:43 AM   #12131
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ill go 12.
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Old 06-13-2008, 12:45 AM   #12132
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curious to where everyone would rank Oscar Robertson in an all time draft?
hes gotta be on the same level as magic/bird. dunno if hes better or worse. i wonder about him too. obv never saw him play.
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Old 06-13-2008, 12:45 AM   #12133
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i might actually take Bonner gotta represent New England.
Like 2x a week at lunch I see Luke Bonner (Matt's younger brother) eating by himself, always either repping Raptors gear or Spurs gear. So awesome.
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Old 06-13-2008, 12:46 AM   #12134
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dude you gotta hang with Luke.
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Old 06-13-2008, 12:46 AM   #12135
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He's no Jerry West!
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Old 06-13-2008, 12:49 AM   #12136
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rankings probably go something like Cousy = West > Paultz >> Oscar >>>> Elgin Baylor
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Old 06-13-2008, 05:51 AM   #12137
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Sorry guys, just signed on and realised its my pick but I gotta run (this second) and sign papers on my new apartment (plus I dont know exactly who Im picking). Pick will be up in a few hours, sorry.
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Old 06-13-2008, 06:04 AM   #12138
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Sorry guys, just signed on and realised its my pick but I gotta run (this second) and sign papers on my new apartment (plus I dont know exactly who Im picking). Pick will be up in a few hours, sorry.
under My 2+2, go to edit Options and turn on "Receive Email Notification of New Private Messages" imo.

obv only works if you check email more than 2+2, but should be an easy way to get alerted when its your pick
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Old 06-13-2008, 09:39 AM   #12139
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This thing has slowed down quite a bit, lets just do 10 players. Bench guy 11 and 12 shouldn't ever see the court anyway, unless you drafted a team full of incapacitated and or dead guys.
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Old 06-13-2008, 10:00 AM   #12140
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This thing has slowed down quite a bit, lets just do 10 players. Bench guy 11 and 12 shouldn't ever see the court anyway, unless you drafted a team full of incapacitated and or dead guys.
BigCat (aka BiiiiigChips) votes for 15-man roster then.
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Old 06-13-2008, 10:17 AM   #12141
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ugh; i was gonna get chill soon
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Old 06-13-2008, 03:32 PM   #12142
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Good pick Cobra, another guy near the top of my list...very good actually.
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Old 06-13-2008, 03:51 PM   #12143
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PG talent was surprisingly deep this draft, whereas PF/C was pretty thin after the first round.
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Old 06-13-2008, 04:00 PM   #12144
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Round 6; Pick 206 - Bruce Bowen




While I feel that I've put together a fairly complete team through five rounds, one key element was missing - an elite wing defender. Luckily, I get one of the best of the modern era here. Bruce Bowen has made five straight all-defensive first teams (and counting). Only three other draft-eligible perimeter defenders have matched this feat - Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, and Gary Payton. Not bad company. While Bowen will never be confused for a good offensive player, his excellent 3-point shooting (.391 for his career) means that defenses will not be able to double off him, so he will not hurt me on that end of the floor. Some may have shied away from him because they think that his peak started very late in his career. But looking at DRtg and PER36 stats, it looks like it was mostly a matter of playing time. Bowen actually had career highs in steals and blocks per minute in his first season in the NBA. So I think his skillset has been fairly steady throughout his career, San Antonio was just the first team smart enough to figure out how to best utilize him.

In the grand scheme of things, this pick is all about balance. I already have a wide variety of scoring options on my team (slashers, shooters, post players), and I have excellent post defense. With the addition of Bowen, I now have a truly elite wing defender to go with a truly elite post defender (and here elite means elite, not the watered-down usage you see so often in this thread). The plan is to start Gay and bring Bowen off the bench, but they will split time depending on matchups (you better believe that he will be getting starter minutes when I face teams with players like Jordan or Kobe). This pick also adds balance to my team in another sense. With the Ruland pick, I gave my team a very talented core for the first few years of the league. But now, I also have three players who have maintained near-peak production very later into their careers (Mutombo, Detlef, Bowen), as well as a 21-year-old Rudy Gay will still be at his peak when most players in the league (drafted at 24) will be slowing down. I feel that my team now has both a balanced offense and a balanced defense, and will have plenty of talent both at the start and ten years down the road.

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Dikembe Mutombo
Jeff Ruland
Detlef Schrempf
Rudy Gay
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Bruce Bowen
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Old 06-13-2008, 04:04 PM   #12145
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Very nice pick, I was considering Bowen here, thats a tough team.
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Old 06-13-2008, 04:20 PM   #12146
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I've been waiting for Bowen to get picked for about 2 rounds now. Really dislike the Posey pick (and the Pressey pick to a lesser degree) with Bowen still on the board.
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Old 06-13-2008, 04:27 PM   #12147
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Bowen's career arc made him pretty much impossible to pick up until around now. He also wasn't very good on offense until he came to SA, where they were smart enough to park his ass in the corner and hardly move. You can do that here, too, but not having a post presence like Timmah hurts him a bit.

Still, like the pick here.
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Old 06-13-2008, 04:29 PM   #12148
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I think Bowen is such a great fit on so many teams (i.e. any of the guys who drafted 1-10 or otherwise have a very good penetrating PG or post player) that you can easily pick him.
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Old 06-13-2008, 04:30 PM   #12149
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Bowen is one of the players hurt the most by this format though. Go take a look at his basketball-reference stats, his first year he only played a single minute, and then there was three more years of him being a reserve. All of these years are post-23, so you're going to have to make EPeen type of arguments for how he could have been just as good, his coaches just didn't see it until he got to Miami. His first All-Defense nod didn't come until he was 29. So maybe he was just a defensive stud buried on the bench because his coaches didn't use him properly until he was 29, but that's a pretty big argument.

I also have issues with Ruland and Bowen, I'm not sure whether it's smart to try and build for both now and the future, if you're going to draft someone who has a two or three year window, I'd want to surround him with talent during that window, not grab someone who comes of age after he's already injured and broken down. I'd rather go for a higher, shorter peak than a smaller, more consistent one.
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Old 06-13-2008, 04:31 PM   #12150
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I can't find the replay on ESPN360... do you need to log in or something? I'm not seeing anything for basketball at all
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