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Old 06-12-2008, 02:47 AM   #12026
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Dude Jerry Stackhouse sucks a fat nut, be it when he was leading the league in scoring in Detroit, or as a Dallas bench player, or anything in between.
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Old 06-12-2008, 02:58 AM   #12027
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I don't get the hate for TS%. It tells how efficiently you score. Its not everything in that it says nothing about your rebounding, passing, defense, leadership, etc., but it does tell how efficiently a player scores. So when somebody says that Stackhouse is much better than Smith scoring wise, of course we're going to look at TS%.

I can't imagine somone mentioning home runs in baseball for example and people getting upset and saying "Just watch the games. Home run numbers aren't everything...just watch!"
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Also, Kenyon loves JR.
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Old 06-12-2008, 03:49 AM   #12028
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+1

If he really came out of the closet theres no way it'd be "I think I remember hearing he was gay"....it'd be a HUGE story.
well, he almost certainly didn't come out, but, i mean, neither did Troy Aikman
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Old 06-12-2008, 04:37 AM   #12029
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here's my James Donaldson writeup, at last:

Round 5, Pick 176
James Donaldson - C




Never having seen Donaldson play, I can't attest to how particularly well he does anything. The stats can, however, and they indicate an efficient scorer as a secondary option who also rebounds well and picks up a decent number of blocks. (They also indicate he was 7'2".) He also played 82 games every season from age 24-29, and 81 at age 30, so he's durable. He played fewer minutes in his age 24 and 25 seasons with Seattle, but his per-36 numbers are consistent with the rest of his career, so I'm not expecting him to be weak sauce for his first two seasons.

Statistical highlights include a career .618 TS, 9 of his 10 first seasons with > 10 boards per 36, and one NBA All-Star team. In addition, he was born in England, which only furthers my team's international flair. My first five picks are from Germany, Alaska (which is basically Canada), Spain, Michigan, and England. I'm sure my bench will continue to diversify the team.

And I lied. At age twenty-eight he played eighty-three games.
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Old 06-12-2008, 04:40 AM   #12030
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well, he almost certainly didn't come out, but, i mean, neither did Troy Aikman
Neither did John Amaechi. O wait.

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Old 06-12-2008, 05:08 AM   #12031
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NO NAMING GAY UNDRAFTED PLAYERS
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Old 06-12-2008, 06:23 AM   #12032
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also pm me if you want to trade down
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Old 06-12-2008, 11:44 AM   #12033
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Arrrg - was supposed to leave for Vegas tomorrow, but severely fked my knee up last night playing ball. Going for an MRI in about 3 hours, wish me luck, hope no tear.

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Old 06-12-2008, 01:46 PM   #12034
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assani, my point is that ts% difference of .02 is not enough to tell even close to the whole story.
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Old 06-12-2008, 01:46 PM   #12035
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Chips-

Did you fail to mention he played 19 games at 24, 45 at 25, 5 at 26 and 55 at 30 eyars old (missed 3 years) I guess when he was suspended. 2 years which don't count at 22 and 23 he averaged 78 games per season.
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Old 06-12-2008, 01:49 PM   #12036
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Just got home after an awful poker session. (I was like Phil Hellmuth making insane laydowns LDO)

Disappointed in people's writeups. PUT MORE EFFORT IN IT DUDES.
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Old 06-12-2008, 01:49 PM   #12037
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Roy Tarpley, wow, I think this might the worst pick in the draft, worse than Bynum, worse than Marbury, worse than Posey, just wow. He played four post 23 years, consisting of 19, 45, 5, and 55 games. The last season was a comeback at 30 after his drug suspension. It's not a freak injury, it's a substance abuse problem. I just can't believe he was taken.
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Old 06-12-2008, 01:52 PM   #12038
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He wasn't even that good. There is a guy I'm thinking of with similar stats who is similarly bad that a million times better than him other than blocking shots.
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Old 06-12-2008, 01:55 PM   #12039
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Also true. I mean, the season he played 45 games, he had a TS% of a whopping 49%. You're basically getting a rebounder who can't stay on the floor, just terrible.
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Old 06-12-2008, 01:56 PM   #12040
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So I'm supposed to assume that because of a drug problem that he can't play basketball? Maybe I missed something but as far as I can tell, one game in the NBA qualifies you for this draft. Whether your dead at 29, or have played less than one season entering this draft. How does that differ? Players who aren't even 24 yet could die in a car accident tomorrow, does that mean that drafting them automatically leaves a void on your team forever? This is all hypothetical, I'm sure if Roy Tarpley had the chance to do it over again he would have a much better nba career considering he was putting up double doubles while using drugs!! Just because I draft him at 24 doesn't mean he automatically gets suspended at 26 in a fake league.... You guys are going to make Reggie Lewis have a heart attack and Drazen Petrovic get hit by a car? Get real
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Old 06-12-2008, 01:57 PM   #12041
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I saw him play in HS a bunch of times before he moved to north jersey his Junior year. But he is a HUGE reach here.
Huge reach.

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I'm sure GKA will explain in his writeup, but IMO one of the most important things you can have off the bench is instant offense. And he certainly got it here.
But there are guys who do that (better) than JR smith available still

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I love the Joe Barry Carroll pick as he had a sick year at 24, despite other concerns.

If anyone wants to trade down, let me know as I'm looking to trade up.
PM me an offer, I wouldn't mind trading down.

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t0ne has resorted to drafting current or former Hawks players.
lol, I noticed this too

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He's ******ed (JR). Bad player on offense (offense is more than just shooting), terrible on D, killed a guy, bad locker room guy, I mean, what's to like? That he's good at HORSE? Meh.
I mean, this isn't really true

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Childress is on a short list of guys I hate for absolutely no reason whatsoever.
Seriously, **** Josh Childress.
I kinda like him

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tbach,

that's one of the worst posts in this thread.
yeah, tb made a bad one

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Hey you guys changed my mind. Judging from your arguments JR Smith is obviously better than AI, how am I trolling?

The best part is I actually like JR, and watched him throw down some sick dunks as a sophmore. But you guys are way overrating him.
AI > JR obv. But we're talking about 6th round guys. I still think JR is a reach here, but he was going to get taken within 50 picks for sure.

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JR Smith isn't even good enough to have "haters." More like "realists."
that girl he spat on in the club prolly hates him
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Old 06-12-2008, 01:59 PM   #12042
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The problem is even in his short career he's really not that great and there are guys that are a million times better. Reggie Lewis will probally not last long in any league but Petrovic has a freak accident. Honestly there are a laundry list of guys who are better with higher upside and I even sent you a list of them that are probally better. Whatever you want Tarpley go get him but he's terrible even in his short career other than rebounding.
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Old 06-12-2008, 02:00 PM   #12043
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So I'm supposed to assume that because of a drug problem that he can't play basketball? Maybe I missed something but as far as I can tell, one game in the NBA qualifies you for this draft. Whether your dead at 29, or have played less than one season entering this draft. How does that differ? Players who aren't even 24 yet could die in a car accident tomorrow, does that mean that drafting them automatically leaves a void on your team forever? This is all hypothetical, I'm sure if Roy Tarpley had the chance to do it over again he would have a much better nba career considering he was putting up double doubles while using drugs!! Just because I draft him at 24 doesn't mean he automatically gets suspended at 26 in a fake league.... You guys are going to make Reggie Lewis have a heart attack and Drazen Petrovic get hit by a car? Get real
I can see where you are coming from, but the topic of substance abuse has already come up, and the consensus has been that predisposition towards alcoholism/cocaine/whatever is not a freak occurence, and is likely to haunt a player in this league as well. So whether you agree with this interpretation or not, that's how most people will judge these players.
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Old 06-12-2008, 02:06 PM   #12044
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Honestly, there aren't many double double guys left who are 7 feet and are somewhat agile. The only couple I can think of are fairly loppy and wouldn't fit my team exceptionally well. Call it what you will, drug abuse can be something to "haunt" a player but I'm not going to use it as a crutch to criticize players who were still good at the game
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Old 06-12-2008, 02:07 PM   #12045
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How can people bash Stackhouse and love JR Smith? Stack is/will always be a better scorer who brings much more to his team.
As others later prove, this isn't really the case. It does show what a bad pick Stackhouse was, though!

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Level? Stack is a career .535 TS with a .307 career three point average. That is less than the average team shoots as a whole. JR has averaged .592 and .395 over the past two seasons, significantly higher than his teammates and much higher than Stack.

Stack shoots a ton, and is less efficient than the players around him. That's going to hurt an efficient team more than it helps. JR is significantly more efficient and he does it on an inefficient squad. How does Stack bring much more to his team?
Good job seadood.

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Stackhouse has played and will played more in his career because he's a much better player, plain and simple. Throw all the numbers out that you want, per 36 don't mean anything if you can't get on the court. How effective are you on the bench? Overall, offensively they aren't even close. JR Smith is an awful passer and he just doesn't have a good idea of spacing, running an offense, etc. Stackhouse is a much better passer, much better rebounder. And his IQ is higher than he gets credit for. Not to mention, he's not a liability defensively.
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Roy Tarpley, wow, I think this might the worst pick in the draft, worse than Bynum, worse than Marbury, worse than Posey, just wow. He played four post 23 years, consisting of 19, 45, 5, and 55 games. The last season was a comeback at 30 after his drug suspension. It's not a freak injury, it's a substance abuse problem. I just can't believe he was taken.
I don't know if it's worse than Bynum - remember, Bynum was picked based off of a few good WEEKS. But this pick is truly heinous.

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Also true. I mean, the season he played 45 games, he had a TS% of a whopping 49%. You're basically getting a rebounder who can't stay on the floor, just terrible.
Exactly. We had 2 full rounds of solid picks, it looks like this is the round people start re-****ing it up!
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Old 06-12-2008, 02:07 PM   #12046
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assani, my point is that ts% difference of .02 is not enough to tell even close to the whole story.
JR The last two years has been much better TS wise, like .585 and .600. Stackhouse on the other hand has never really been much more than average.
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Old 06-12-2008, 02:08 PM   #12047
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Even in his wikipedia profile it says he had nagging injuries on top of drug issues.
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Old 06-12-2008, 02:09 PM   #12048
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yeah the tarpley pick is awful, but only because he never played.

anyone saying "he wasn't even good" is ******ed.

did you guys watch him play a lot?

he was a ****ing stud. he's a prime example of a guy who it would be ridiculous to evaluate by stats because the sample size is minute. and he was never "right" anyway.

in bizarro he never has any problems world hes a perennial all star, but again this pick blows for obvious reasons.
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Old 06-12-2008, 02:10 PM   #12049
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The injuries came later though. He missed three years because of his ban, came back for limited action and got suspended again indefinately.
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Old 06-12-2008, 02:11 PM   #12050
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The injuries came later though. He missed three years because of his ban, came back for limited action and got suspended again indefinately.
sounds like the type of player i want on MY team!
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