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Old 06-07-2008, 10:08 PM   #11526
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this is just flat out wrong
There are better defensive PGs available.
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Old 06-07-2008, 10:09 PM   #11527
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There are better defensive PGs available.
There may be, but that doesn't make the statement that he is an average defender at best true.
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Old 06-07-2008, 10:16 PM   #11528
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wow i'm such a ******. i've been glazing over mo cheeks for the past hour, until i finally see the 1978-1979 season he played.

back to the drawing board IMO.
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Old 06-07-2008, 10:19 PM   #11529
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Dudd,

Figured Cedric would go pretty soon, pretty good pick.

Tbach,

lol yes, I made that same mistake earlier in the draft.
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Old 06-07-2008, 10:19 PM   #11530
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Yeah, I think Mo would've been gone already.
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Old 06-07-2008, 10:19 PM   #11531
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ced was number one on my list for 6th man. really ****ed with injuries, but still really good (and i think highest career PER of those available)
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Old 06-07-2008, 10:19 PM   #11532
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I bet you thought you were getting quite the steal too, huh. 4 time all star, 4 time first team defense, how has he not been picked yet!?!?
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Old 06-07-2008, 10:20 PM   #11533
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I mean, almost Posey-esque!
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Old 06-07-2008, 10:21 PM   #11534
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haha yeah, i was pretty pumped, especially when meb didn't pick him.
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Old 06-07-2008, 10:24 PM   #11535
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haha yeah, i was pretty pumped, especially when meb didn't pick him.
The amazing thing would've been the scene if I traded up to draft him lol
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Old 06-07-2008, 10:27 PM   #11536
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during the 3rd and 4th rounds (when i made my player rankings) i kept checking to make sure he wasn't eligible, because he kept showing up in good places
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Old 06-07-2008, 10:54 PM   #11537
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cedric ceballos was nice. I could have drafted him but he's got such a short peak.
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Old 06-07-2008, 11:24 PM   #11538
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Ceballos is one of the most one-dimensional guys in the history of the game :-/
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Old 06-07-2008, 11:30 PM   #11539
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Really really like the Ced Ceballos pick. He's been near the top of my SF list for a while.
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Old 06-07-2008, 11:39 PM   #11540
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This really depends on your definition of "good." Do you mean guys who score a ton of points even though they are shooting a lower average than the rest of their team? My definition of a "good" player is a little different.

Look, building a successful basketball team is more about fit than putting the best players on the court. In spite of what some will say, there are very very few players who are do it all guys at their respective positions. Guys like Jordan, Duncan, and Bird are such players who were at or near the very best with regards to all aspects of playing great ball. I'd break them down like so:

Sexy, phat contract characteristics

volume scoring
efficiency scoring
inside scoring
jump-shooting
rebounding
playmaking
1v1 defense

Ugly characteristics that make up Basketball IQ

offensive mismatch recognition
off-ball movement (setting screens, using screens, creating space, etc...)
team defense
leadership

Intangibles

health
likability
off the court demeanor

The success of your team is going to depend on how well you've got these bases covered. Like it or not, most players will have deficiencies in several of these categories at their respective positions. I think fans tend to put too much stock into the very first category, whilst treating the others as less essential. That's a mistake because, if anything, volume scoring is the most abundant and perhaps the easiest trait to pick up in this draft. Come on, we act as if guys like Battier or Rodman couldn't double their scoring if they wanted to. The truth is they easily could, but it'd be at the expense of their efficiency, team efficiency, team chemistry, and ultimately their team's bottom line. More importantly, that's the one attribute that doesn't create problems if you aren't so great at it. Shane Battier pretty much does it all except score in bulk, but he's hardly a negative on offense. In fact, his three point shooting makes him extremely valuable. Aside from his ability to score at a high level of efficiency, he creates space on the floor by forcing a defender to stay close, which makes it easier for his teammates to put themselves in higher percentage situations.

Many of these scorers that have not been taken, as well as some that have, are great at volume scoring but pretty much suck at everything else. This makes them zero sum players, or at times less than that. These so-called role-players are generally rank very highly in everything except the first trait, which I've already said abundantly available.

What's more, these high volume/low efficiency guys are less valuable in a format like this than they are in real life. Most real life teams have only a couple of guys who can score efficiently, so their offense has to come from somewhere, and often times it'll be from a bulk scorer because he's simply going to do it better than his counterparts. In a league such as this where you've got a much larger pool of players to cull from, that becomes less of a necessity because you are going to have better players around you.

All this, and we haven't even scratched the surface when it comes to managing this many egos for an 82 game season. That alone would be enough to make me want to limit the amount of so-called "stars" on my squad. You only have to think back to the last few Team USAs and the 2003-4 Lakers to see how well that worked out.
great posting imo
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Old 06-07-2008, 11:48 PM   #11541
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I'd looked at Ced recently and was looking at him as a potential sixth man (or starter). Nice pick.

Also, throw me in the camp that looked at Mo Cheeks and got all excited only to find out he was ineligible.
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Old 06-07-2008, 11:50 PM   #11542
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Ceballos is one of the most one-dimensional guys in the history of the game :-/
And he only did it for like 4 years.
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Old 06-07-2008, 11:55 PM   #11543
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Like I said, I'm going for the quick peak followed by a complete rebuild. Just wait until some of my later sleeper picks, I'm making a run for the year one title!
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Old 06-08-2008, 12:30 AM   #11544
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kareem abdul jabbar was such a beast
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Old 06-08-2008, 12:33 AM   #11545
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Yeah, I'm thinking of taking him in the 7th round if Mo Cheeks gets grabbed.
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Old 06-08-2008, 12:34 AM   #11546
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I'll have to counter with Parish then
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Old 06-08-2008, 12:38 AM   #11547
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As long as Wilt's still around in the 8th, we're cool.
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Old 06-08-2008, 12:39 AM   #11548
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Wilt? Noobs. Can't shoot ft's ldo.
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Old 06-08-2008, 12:40 AM   #11549
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There are no complete players left at that point, ldo.
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Old 06-08-2008, 12:45 AM   #11550
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ehh too controversial at this point IMO

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