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Old 06-06-2008, 08:23 PM   #11401
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Amare just put up 25.2 and 20.4 ppg on 63.7 and 65.6% TS in back to back seasons. He may very well be the best offensive player in the league imo.
lol come on man, you think hes better on offense than Kobe or Lebron are? Or if you love efficency, Nash/Dirk? Seriously?
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Old 06-06-2008, 08:24 PM   #11402
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I actually do agree with you, but I had to whip out the lebowski line.
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Old 06-06-2008, 08:41 PM   #11403
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finally caught up to this, and i just woke up. if you are leaving/left, than no, otherwise yeah, i coudl play
You gonna still be in Vegas next weekend? I'll be out there next Friday-Monday. I sprained my ankle real bad about a week ago playing pickup, but I'm gonna get someone to push me around in a wheelchair for 10 minutes beforehand, then I'll come running on to the court to a standing ovation.
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Old 06-06-2008, 08:42 PM   #11404
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I feel like I'm destined to disagree with everything Clark says now

I think role players have been somewhat underrated on this board, especially in this last round. I would think that most teams should be set as far as bulk guys are concerned, and adding inefficient guys who fill up stat sheets can only harm those teams imo.

Posey is an awesome player for several reasons. As role-players go, he can defend multiple positions, shoot, rebound, and slash very well. He's got size over the other wing defenders, which is always a plus. All this and he has no real weakness, like bad FT shooting or anything like that. What I like most about James Posey is that he is the consummate role player, he really seems to be able to happily plug into whatever role is required of him, and doesn't ever try to do too much. On a team where everyone can score, I think you are going to need players who really don't need touches to be happy.

He may have went early, but I'm all for fit over BPA. Also I think there are a few PGs left who are better than many taken in the 3rd and 4th rounds.

I'll discuss the other picks when I get off work...

[edit] Clark, the hoopshype scouting report for Posey said "run's like a deer," so I did get the gazelle reference from you. sorry dude.

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Old 06-06-2008, 08:47 PM   #11405
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You gonna still be in Vegas next weekend? I'll be out there next Friday-Monday. I sprained my ankle real bad about a week ago playing pickup, but I'm gonna get someone to push me around in a wheelchair for 10 minutes beforehand, then I'll come running on to the court to a standing ovation.
I'm here for 2 months BABY (feel free to come over whenever Keith btw)
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Old 06-06-2008, 08:48 PM   #11406
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lol come on man, you think hes better on offense than Kobe or Lebron are? Or if you love efficency, Nash/Dirk? Seriously?
I think hes better than Dirk and Wade. Him and Nash are close. Lebron and Kobe are probably better.
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Old 06-06-2008, 08:49 PM   #11407
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I feel like I'm destined to disagree with everything Clark says now

I think role players have been somewhat underrated on this board, especially in this last round. I would think that most teams should be set as far as bulk guys are concerned, and adding inefficient guys who fill up stat sheets can only harm those teams imo.

Posey is an awesome player for several reasons. As role-players go, he can defend multiple positions, shoot, rebound, and slash very well. He's got size over the other wing defenders, which is always a plus All this and he has no real weakness, like bad FT shooting or anything like that. What I like most about James Posey is that he is the consummate role player, he really seems to be able to plug into whatever role is required of him, and doesn't ever try to do too much. On a team where everyone can score, I think you are going to need players who really don't need touches to be happy.

He may have went early, but I'm all for fit over BPA. Also I think there are a few PGs left who are better than many taken in the 3rd and 4th rounds.

I'll discuss the other picks when I get off work...
I agree with this, these are the rounds u should be taking role players in (you should have taken ur stars in the first 3-4 rounds)
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Old 06-06-2008, 08:49 PM   #11408
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I think hes better than Dirk and Wade. Him and Nash are close. Lebron and Kobe are probably better.
Wow ok whatever I dont wanna get into another long drawn out argument.
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Old 06-06-2008, 09:06 PM   #11409
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I'm here for 2 months BABY (feel free to come over whenever Keith btw)
giddyup.

also, you should come to LA for game 3.
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Old 06-06-2008, 09:11 PM   #11410
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Sweet. You guys take scrubby bench guys and I'll take 10 starting calibur players, have quality rotations, tremendous flexibility and cause matchup havoc and we'll see who wins.
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Old 06-06-2008, 09:14 PM   #11411
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you bringing in a team psychologist/ego coach?
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Old 06-06-2008, 09:18 PM   #11412
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With only a few exceptions, players are on the bench because they suck and/or are limited. i.e not as good as starters.
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Old 06-06-2008, 09:21 PM   #11413
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And I'm not saying teams don't need "glue guys", but the idea that good players who started and were major contributors their whole careers are somehow inherently worse fits as *glue guys* than scrubs who were limited role players is nutso.
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Old 06-06-2008, 09:21 PM   #11414
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Can we plz get a youtube video of assani/bobbo playing ball?
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Old 06-06-2008, 09:40 PM   #11415
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Wow ok whatever I dont wanna get into another long drawn out argument.
Its won't have to be complex - I'll put it in simple terms for you. Just rate each player's all-around game in fractions of a "McHale". For the purpose of this arguement, Kobe scores a truely amazing 0.01 McHales, Lebron in second w/ 0.0095 McHales, then Amare w/ 0.005 McHales, Dirk w/ 0.0035 McHales and Wade rings in with 0.002 McHales.
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Old 06-06-2008, 09:56 PM   #11416
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Wow ok whatever I dont wanna get into another long drawn out argument.
Yea, I probably don't feel strongly enough either way to really debate it. Its obviously very very close.
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Old 06-06-2008, 09:57 PM   #11417
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I definitely prefer taking starters over bench guys and work matchups as well Clark. In this there is hardly a reason to take role players until maybe the 11th or 12th rounds, there are still a lot of good players available.
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Old 06-06-2008, 10:15 PM   #11418
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I really wish I hadn't been swamped with school/work when you guys came up with this thing.

Put me in the camp who thinks that picking solid role players from the past couple years or so is a not a great idea. I mean, these guys are coming of the bench in today's league. There's probably loads of guys who played about the same back in the 80's/early 90's who you just haven't heard of. It can't be worth it to pick these guys over all the borderline stars (i.e. 1 or 2 time all-stars or even just career starters) that are still available.

In general, I'd say people are really picking way too much from the current crop of players.
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Old 06-07-2008, 12:03 AM   #11419
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And I'm not saying teams don't need "glue guys", but the idea that good players who started and were major contributors their whole careers are somehow inherently worse fits as *glue guys* than scrubs who were limited role players is nutso.
I hope you're not confining the abilities of elite defensive players who happen to be selfless, efficient offensive players as merely "glue guys."
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Old 06-07-2008, 12:12 AM   #11420
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The way people bandy about "elite" in this forum, I think the definition is "top 40%".
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Old 06-07-2008, 12:17 AM   #11421
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The way people bandy about "elite" in this forum, I think the definition is "top 40%".
amen brother

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also i feel like the reason you can't generally extrapolate **** over more minutes, or a different role, or something else is because if this player was actually capable of this, it's mind-boggling why they weren't this magical player in real life, where the competition is significantly, significantly lower than in our fantasy league
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Old 06-07-2008, 12:17 AM   #11422
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I'm with Clark on this one.

I think more people need to give their opinions on Sampson as well. This guy is a train wreck injury wise and I'm surprised to see some people brushing this off.
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Old 06-07-2008, 12:21 AM   #11423
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I'm with Clark on this one.

I think more people need to give their opinions on Sampson as well. This guy is a train wreck injury wise and I'm surprised to see some people brushing this off.
i think there was only one guy who was not bashing it, and he was on that side half-heartedly. sampson was seriously a train wreck (good term) injury wise. who knows what could have been..
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Old 06-07-2008, 12:21 AM   #11424
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amen brother

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also i feel like the reason you can't generally extrapolate **** over more minutes, or a different role, or something else is because if this player was actually capable of this, it's mind-boggling why they weren't this magical player in real life, where the competition is significantly, significantly lower than in our fantasy league
Are people extrapolating, though? I certainly wouldn't expect any of my players to play any more minutes than they did. Well, maybe a few more - a guy like Brent Barry seems capable of playing 30-35 (Since he did it in Seattle).
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Old 06-07-2008, 12:23 AM   #11425
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Are people extrapolating, though? I certainly wouldn't expect any of my players to play any more minutes than they did. Well, maybe a few more - a guy like Brent Barry seems capable of playing 30-35 (Since he did it in Seattle).
not a serious issue because we're only recently started drafting players who weren't good enough (for whatever reason) to be a focal point of teams. this will change in a round or two, imo
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