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Old 06-05-2008, 08:24 PM   #10926
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Got some tough choices and seeing what offers I get, but will have pick up within the half hour. Sorry.
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Old 06-05-2008, 08:26 PM   #10927
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3.) I also feel like people are being to hard on steroid boys team, and expect them to do better than people are thinking. This team can score the ball, they have some very compentant scorers for the 1-4 positions. (Terry, MJ, Smith, and Howard are all good-excellent offensive scorers, and I expect some of these guys to be more efficient than their career stats suggest since they won't have to always be the #1 or #2 option) This team is also pretty stellar defensivley. They are a bit undersized and this could pose some match up problems against some of the bigger teams, but they are still a formidable defensive team!
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oh and vote against coaches cuz i would get stuck with the ****tiest one

and I probably panicked with the smith pick but I dont think its as bad as everyone is making it out to be. i was gonna take detlef in round 2 but felt i needed a strong interior defense threat and thats what Camby does and has done for a longgggg time.
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Old 06-05-2008, 08:27 PM   #10928
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Shark - Ratliff seems like a good fit on that team. I think people have given you a hard time, mainly for picking CP3 11th overall. That may be high, but his ceiling >>> Stockton's. Anyway, I like your starting 5. At a glance, the biggest problems are outside shooting and Gin.
Ratliff is a very solid pick imo. I disagree on CP3 having a higher ceiling though...I mean, yes its POSSIBLE that CP3 turns into the greatest player ever, but I'd put his chances of turning out better than Stockton at lower than 50% for sure, and I was one of those defending the pick at first(the more I think about it the more I dilslike it though).

His team is a mixed bag to me. Like the Cummings and Ratliff picks. Baker is ok. I think Rip is overrated. I think Stockton would've been a much better pick in the first.
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Old 06-05-2008, 08:27 PM   #10929
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backcourt of Marbury, Barbosa and Kukoc?....hmmmmmm

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Old 06-05-2008, 08:28 PM   #10930
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Yeah did we resolve the coaching issue?
Need a few more votes for "against" to get rid of them....if its close(say 19-7 and we need 20/30) then I'll go ahead and vote for "against", but I want to leave it in everyone's hands and not vote if possible.
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Old 06-05-2008, 08:28 PM   #10931
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If you're using Barbosa as a 6th man, i kinda like the pick. If he is your starting 2 - ick.

Regardless, I don't see how he and marbury work together on the court defensively. Prob the same way Nash and Leandro work together on D - not well.

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Old 06-05-2008, 08:29 PM   #10932
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**** it, I'm going with Sprewell. Write up coming.
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Old 06-05-2008, 08:30 PM   #10933
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Spree I think is BPA. Definitely crazy though.
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Old 06-05-2008, 08:30 PM   #10934
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backcourt of Marbury, Barbosa and Kukoc?....hmmmmmm
Kukoc is 6'10, he's playing SF.
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Old 06-05-2008, 08:31 PM   #10935
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Oakley kept him in check. No one ****s with Oak
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Old 06-05-2008, 08:31 PM   #10936
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pj carlisemo for coach imo
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Old 06-05-2008, 08:32 PM   #10937
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Spree's not crazy, he's just got a family to feed like everyone else.
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Old 06-05-2008, 08:33 PM   #10938
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Spree is craaaaaazy but his teams always did well. I think he's a good crazy. Except if you're PJ Carlisimo.
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Old 06-05-2008, 08:34 PM   #10939
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This thread is so long that I don't wan to sift through everything since I couldn't find the recaps, but weren't some of the guys you listed taken before Coleman? I think Odom is generally underrated and would have been preferable if he was still available, and shareef would also be a good option if he was available. I am not going to preent to know enough about Okafor's career to comment on him. The nice thing about DC with Shaq is that you have two pretty athletic tanks in their primes. They should clean up the boards and match up better defensivley with some of the bigger teams. Also, I realize this might sound like a stretch but I think having another strong post presence with Shaq is great because everyone is going to be in serious foul trouble! Look at how much better Amare's stats have been with Shaqs arrival, and he is currentley a shadow of his former self. I really think matching him up with another good post player makes a lot of sense. You sacrifice some efficiency with DC, but he does have some postive advantages too IMO. I'm not arguing it was a great pick per se, but everyone hated it so much and I think it was overdone a bit.

I agree 100% about Josh Smith and think it was a poor pick. I was defending the team in general, because everyone seems to have written them off. Despite that poor pick, I can see this team being one of the premier teams in the league. I think there are a few teams they will have some serious match up problems with (Such as the Shaq team, the Hakeem team, and any other team that ends up being huge), but on the whole this is very good team and everyone seems to have completley written them off. Smith was a waste though, I can't argue that.
I agree about the MJ team...its not nearly as bad as people are making it out to be.


Regarding Bobbo's team, I love the EJ pick, but imagine he could've ended up with Shaq/Sabonis!!! Wow at that possibility.
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Old 06-05-2008, 08:34 PM   #10940
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man, the numbers (especially defensively) really don't do sprewell justice. guy was awesome.
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Old 06-05-2008, 08:35 PM   #10941
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Spree I think is BPA. Definitely crazy though.
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Old 06-05-2008, 08:36 PM   #10942
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I agree about the MJ team...its not nearly as bad as people are making it out to be.


Regarding Bobbo's team, I love the EJ pick, but imagine he could've ended up with Shaq/Sabonis!!! Wow at that possibility.
Oh man if I gotten my hands on a sick big man, I would've created an AWESOME twin towers. Can't **** with those teams.
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Old 06-05-2008, 08:38 PM   #10943
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you better be in a coastal location so spree will have somewhere to put his yacht.
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Old 06-05-2008, 08:38 PM   #10944
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can someone explain why spree's PER and Ortg are so, so bad?
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Old 06-05-2008, 08:40 PM   #10945
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SPREE! He was my absolute favorite player when I was in high school. I loved that Warriors team! Spree, Webber, Mullin (unfortunately hardaway got injured). I still hate Don Nelson to this day for breaking up that team, and I never faulted Spree for choking PJ Carlisemo. And I think history has now shown that PJ had it coming.

That said Spree is a touch crazy.

But I love him in the open court!

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Old 06-05-2008, 08:40 PM   #10946
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lastly, somewhere assani said that he believed himself a better evaluator of talent than the guys on tv. do lot of you believe this about yourselves? if so, are any of you pursuing a career in basketball scouting/coaching? so many of you are so passionate about this stuff i think you should give it a shot. imagine getting paid to do this.
A few of us have talked about doing a website. If I didn't have poker, my college coach offered me a job to come back as an assistant and I probably would've taken that. But so much of advancing is "who you know" imo, so its definitely a tough road.
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Old 06-05-2008, 08:40 PM   #10947
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I like Okur + Mailman.. don't like Okur + Mailman + Jamison.


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Old 06-05-2008, 08:44 PM   #10948
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Hey guys I'm down to 3 tables in the 50K guaranteed, so I don't want to do a write up right now, but I'll keep the draft moving. I take Leandro Barbosa

My team:
Marbury
Barbosa
Kukoc
Barkley
Willis

Just want to mention that I think Kukoc and Barbosa would be pretty sick together.
I like Barbosa, but thats a strange defensive PG/SG combo there.
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btw, I would love to trade up if its possible
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Old 06-05-2008, 08:46 PM   #10950
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can someone explain why spree's PER and Ortg are so, so bad?
One reason is that he logged a ton of minutes and PER is a per minute stat I think.
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