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06-04-2008 , 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by BobboFitos
I think they accurately show that Sam Cassell was better this year than Kevin Durant.
Level?
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06-04-2008 , 11:21 AM
We need picks!!!!!!!!!!! Getting bored, also getting nervous my guys are going to start popping off the board.
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06-04-2008 , 11:29 AM
sry lil' bach but you're outclassed here. time for me to turn on the condescension. brrrrrrrrrrrrr.

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FOR THE RECORD YOU OBVIOUSLY NEED TO ****ING PUT THE INJURIES IN YOUR ODDS ASSUMPTION. There is no 'what if' for injuries, because they're very real.

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So you think it's less than 1 in 100 he makes NO improvement? This is ludicrous. You can't imagine that he's at the top of his shooting form, will not add muscle to his little body, and w. all the scouting on him he wont raise his game to beat this? I'm not saying I think this will happen often - I too think he will be BETTER - but for you to call this 1% shows just how little you know about player progression.

Re: Cassell v Durant. This is obviously a pretty even contest. This year Sam-I-Am was better than Kevin Durant, but it was close. Not sure why you'd want to argue this though.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...anke01&y2=2008

So, basically, Sam Cassell played fewer mins, and while playing them, decided to shoot at a below average clip. KD shot even MORE often at the same poor clip, all the while playing worse defense. Rebounding is pretty similar, but Cassell has the edge bigtime in passing.

Per 36 has the small edge to KD in scoring (on 3 more FGA/game), small edge to KD in rebounding, KD turns it over a little more (more TOs than AST) etc.

Again, this year they were fairly similar players.

I think KD likely (i.e. ~50%) will turn into one of those near-star type guys. But it's just as likely he doesn't. (coin flip cuz)
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06-04-2008 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by BobboFitos
I think KD likely (i.e. ~50%) will turn into one of those near-star type guys. But it's just as likely he doesn't. (coin flip cuz)
I will take a good sized bet with you that he does turn into a near-star type...(I will take that he turns into a near-star type and you will take that he doesn't)

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06-04-2008 , 12:24 PM
I think it's less than 1 in 100 KD makes no improvement.

What the **** bigchips let's gogogogogogo I'm ready this time won't hold anything up
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06-04-2008 , 12:28 PM
I think KD has a pretty good chance to be Melo/Melo+. A pure scorer who's not quite as efficient as he should be given that all he does is score.
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06-04-2008 , 12:33 PM
Vote for coaches
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06-04-2008 , 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Dudd
Vote for coaches
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06-04-2008 , 12:45 PM
I got in to work a little late today and I see it's my pick. Give me a few minutes. Pick will be up shortly.
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06-04-2008 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by BobboFitos
i think it's unfair to categorize guys like deng and butler as roleplayers tho. they;re stars/sorta.
yea wasn't talking about them, was more talking about the Battier type of guys.
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06-04-2008 , 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by .Alex.
He basically needs to pick up a few points in some combination of rebounds and assists and a couple of tenths in TS% to be equivalent to them. Isn't that expected for just about every rookie, let alone a 19 year old with his talent and potential? Also, his usage is already higher than both of theirs.
agreed, Bobbo I think you're way underestimating Durant. Hes already proven in the last half of the season that he is improving and that his scoring game will adjust to the NBA level imo. He may never be great in other areas, but barring injury I see him as a virtual lock as a 25 ppg scorer.
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06-04-2008 , 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by BobboFitos
what pickup game do you play in? my games every other possession is a 3, but most are contested jumpers because people are ****ing stupid.
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I know the idea of gameplanning/coaching for pickup ball seems ******ed, but I get the feeling that a few of us could get a team and beat people way better than us as long as we worked for good shots and played solid team ball.
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06-04-2008 , 12:52 PM
vote against coaches
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06-04-2008 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Seadood228
I'm against coaches if they are used as a basis for how our team will perform. If they are used for comedy or other reasons, that's cool.
if you want your vote to count, you have to be more clear on which one you're voting for. I really don't care, so just pick a side...
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06-04-2008 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by tbach24

2) Against Coaches, but we should start another thread so it doesn't get lost IMO
I'll do the legwork and tally the votes up in this thread.
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06-04-2008 , 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by tbach24
BTW, Sam Cassell's PER was about the same as Durant's. Also, Cassell won the same amount of win shares in fewer games. Cassell's ORtg was higher and his DRtg was lower.

Does anyone still think these metrics are completely valid? Or do you all realize that, while useful, they have gigantic flaws.
I never did nor ever will think these stats are valid.
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06-04-2008 , 12:59 PM
that's why your team blows
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06-04-2008 , 01:02 PM
lol
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06-04-2008 , 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by NopairParker
I never did nor ever will think these stats are valid.
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Originally Posted by kidcolin
that's why your team blows
ahahaha
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06-04-2008 , 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by kidcolin
that's why your team blows
eh I think PER is a pretty useless stat and so does tbach and both our teams are top 10 in this draft, if not higher.

I think stats obv are valid, but a ton of you guys take them too far, you have to use logic/analysis in addition to stats.
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06-04-2008 , 01:07 PM
or we could just make crap up like you
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06-04-2008 , 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by kidcolin
or we could just make crap up like you
What did I make up?
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06-04-2008 , 01:10 PM
I vote that we don't draft coaches.
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06-04-2008 , 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by EPiPeN11
What did I make up?
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Originally Posted by Assani Fisher


At the end of this draft, you'll be able to search posts made by Assani Fisher and then include the sign in your search and you'll have a whole scrapbook of ePiP gems!
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06-04-2008 , 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by kidcolin
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Ok so u still havent named 1 thing I made up
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