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Old 06-03-2008, 11:07 PM   #10526
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Pretty sure McHale would be awesome on Inside the NBA too.
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Old 06-03-2008, 11:08 PM   #10527
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OMFG, you can't still be arguing McHale, can you?
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Old 06-03-2008, 11:08 PM   #10528
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Pretty sure McHale would be awesome on Inside the NBA too.
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Old 06-03-2008, 11:08 PM   #10529
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So you are saying that it's not close. I agree.
Yes it's not close, but it's not like Barkley is a ton better than McHale was, McHale was a very good rebounder which was my whole point.
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Old 06-03-2008, 11:09 PM   #10530
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Do you think McHale could run point in a fix if Billups went down... then pass it TO HIMSELF LDO in the post for a gimme 2 points?
Do you think you could ever make a post that didn't ridiculously exagerate what I say?
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Old 06-03-2008, 11:12 PM   #10531
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1 thing about McHale, don't you think it's going to be hard to dominate in a league with 30 years of players when McHale is listed at 6-10 210 in the NBA today most big men are what 6-10/6-11 250-260. He's also not super athletic.
No, because of a few things.

A) He had ridiculously long arms, like seriously ridiculous, which made him play like a 7 footer

B) He had the best post moves of all time, yes of all time. The array of post moves he had was absolutly ridiculous, the way he could absolutly abuse even the best defenders was amazing which is what everyone who ever saw him play said. He also had a great midrange jump shot which made him even that much more of a tough cover.

There are plenty of skinny PF's who do well in todays game, KG, Bosh etc. And McHale was not like ridiculously weak either, he could hold his own.
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Old 06-03-2008, 11:16 PM   #10532
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No, because of a few things.

A) He had ridiculously long arms, like seriously ridiculous, which made him play like a 7 footer

B) He had the best post moves of all time, yes of all time. The array of post moves he had was absolutly ridiculous, the way he could absolutly abuse even the best defenders was amazing which is what everyone who ever saw him play said. He also had a great midrange jump shot which made him even that much more of a tough cover.

There are plenty of skinny PF's who do well in todays game, KG, Bosh etc. And McHale was not like ridiculously weak either, he could hold his own.
KG is skinny but weights 255 (ESPN, NBA.com says 220), you realize how small 210 is, it's rediculously small. Bosh is 230.
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Old 06-03-2008, 11:16 PM   #10533
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1 thing about McHale, don't you think it's going to be hard to dominate in a league with 30 years of players when McHale is listed at 6-10 210 in the NBA today most big men are what 6-10/6-11 250-260. He's also not super athletic.
You could say this about pretty much every player from the 80's. They showed game 6 of the NBA finals on TV today and the one prevailing thought coming out of my head was "damn, Tony Allen would've been the biggest player on that floor." And nobody here thinks that Tony Allen would dominate that game.
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Old 06-03-2008, 11:17 PM   #10534
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I heard McHale was also an awesome 3 point shooter, he just never shot them.
Just FYI for everyone, Kiki was actually an awesome defender, he just never tried to play defense. But my coaching staff will remind him that defense is important and he will be an All-NBA defender during this competition.
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Old 06-03-2008, 11:21 PM   #10535
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KG is skinny but weights 255 (ESPN, NBA.com says 220), you realize how small 210 is, it's rediculously small. Bosh is 230.
Yes but it's not like McHale was weak or anything, and btw there is no way KG weighs 255, it's def more like 220-230 but he is also taller than McHale (KG is def 7 feet, he actually is one of the few players who lied about his height in a negative way because he didn't want to be classified as a 7 foot stiff).

I do realize 210 is ridiculously small, but i'm sure McHale would have added a few pounds with todays nutrition (since people love to exagerate what I say, i'm not saying he would add a ton, note a FEW). He never had a huge problem vs players who were stronger than he was, it's not like I will have him guarding Shaq.
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Old 06-03-2008, 11:28 PM   #10536
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Why dont we just remove coaching? It isn't to late. .
I'll listen to the majority, but I really felt like it was an interesting component. Here let me address your points one by one....

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All coaching does is create another way for people to make up **** on how their team will be better.
ePiP is doing that and we're all telling him how ridiculous it is. This is not what everyone will do imo.


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Plus the elite coaches are so much better than the other ones its unfair.
We are 5 rounds deep and no coaches have been taken so far. If the elite coaches were that much more valuable than the others then one would be gone by now.


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If we do pick coaches I will surely pick a coach to teach Z to shoot 50 footers at a 60% clip. He hasn't done it, but you can't say he isn't capable of it ldo.
And just like with ePiP, everyone will ignore your claims that he can do that.
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Old 06-03-2008, 11:30 PM   #10537
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wow Assani finally learned how to multiquote, congrats man.

And ya u guys are right, coaching has never improved any team at all, how silly of me to even think it has.
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Old 06-03-2008, 11:32 PM   #10538
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Ya well that's my whole point, no coach ever told them they wanted him to pass more so they didn't, and when someone called him out, he followed it up with a 10 assist game.

He is capable of passing and is a team player, so he will do what he is told, it's not like hes a cancer.

And fwiw it's not like I will have him passing a ton, just to pass more than he did with the Celtics. His obvious first job when he gets the ball is to score.
Dude, you're making it sound like McHale needs a coach to tell him to pass to the open man. When a big man gets the ball, he is often doubled and people are left open. Big men with good court vision routinely find them for open shots. Big men without good court vision either shoot over the double team or kick it back out to a covered guy and reset the play. Its not an issue of a player not wanting to pass and needing a coach to get on him about it. Court vision and passing are skills, and McHale didn't excel in those areas.
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Old 06-03-2008, 11:32 PM   #10539
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I think removing the coaching component would be good. Can any of us definitively say what impact it has on the game? No IMO. Too much goes on behind the scenes and all that.
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Old 06-03-2008, 11:33 PM   #10540
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and btw, I love the fact that we're debating Kevin McHale even more.
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Old 06-03-2008, 11:33 PM   #10541
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wow Assani finally learned how to multiquote, congrats man.

And ya u guys are right, coaching has never improved any team at all, how silly of me to even think it has.
Nobody is saying it isn't but in this game if you want you can make claims, how can we prove or disprove your claim, it's impossible. That's why making claims is pretty much stupid in this game.
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Old 06-03-2008, 11:34 PM   #10542
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all for removing the coaches and just drafting a 10th player, and I even thought I had a pretty good idea for my coach, but meh we're gonna mostly judge these teams on players anyways. We can just say what sort of gameplan we'd run with them instead of drafting a coach.
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Old 06-03-2008, 11:35 PM   #10543
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um ya maybe I spoke too soon on the multiquote thing, anyway like I said before Assani I am not respondin to anythin u say until u learn how to use it.
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Old 06-03-2008, 11:35 PM   #10544
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It's not even epipen's fault. Everyone hops on his case the second McHale gets brought up, 80 people are like ZOMG MCHALE and we all know what epipen's reaction is going to be. So if you guys don't like these arguments, you should probably just ignore any post involving McHale.
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Old 06-03-2008, 11:35 PM   #10545
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Not when you play with 2 great rebounders...You realize Parish/McHale/Bird is arguably the greatest rebounding frontline of all time right? Also Dennis Johnson was a very good rebounder for a PG too.

And fwiw I never said McHale was an elite rebounder or anything, just that he was a very good rebounder which is what pretty much every scouting report i've ever read about McHale says...
I believe your quote was something along the lines of "Barkley is a little bit better at rebounding than McHale."
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Old 06-03-2008, 11:36 PM   #10546
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I don't think he was (especially defensive rebounding in which case I think McHale might have been better although Barkley was the better offensive rebounder)...put Barkley on the Celtics teams and I don't think he gets over 10 rpg and if he does it's not much more.
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Old 06-03-2008, 11:37 PM   #10547
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Why not make a seperate coaches draft which can be done opposite of the actual draft. I know it might benefit the guy picking 40 more b/c we already gave him reverse snake. We could also do another random draft seperately for coaches for our teams.
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Old 06-03-2008, 11:38 PM   #10548
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Uh Parish is a better rebounder than Barkley is....





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Old 06-03-2008, 11:39 PM   #10549
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Why not make a seperate coaches draft which can be done opposite of the actual draft. I know it might benefit the guy picking 40 more b/c we already gave him reverse snake. We could also do another random draft seperately for coaches for our teams.
Def don't like this idea, if we keep coaching (I think we personally should as it's a part of basketball), then they should be able to be picked whenever.
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Old 06-03-2008, 11:41 PM   #10550
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as every scouting report I have ever read has said
You've said this multiple times in the thread. Can you link to some of these scouting reports please? Or are these hand written scouting reports from actual scouts that you've somehow gotten a copy of? If so, can you fax them to me please?


Oh and just so we're clear on this: A ESPN puff piece or some tv analysts using hyperbole is not a scouting report.
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