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Old 06-03-2008, 09:32 PM   #10426
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I don't think you want AK roaming the perimeter for 3pt opportunities. Do what you want but it's hard to say whether his 3pt% this year was just variance or not (compared to '05-'06, he shot one less and hit 8 more.. that could definitely just be variance). He's best served playing inside.

And D-Harp ain't THAT great at 3s.
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Yeah he was actually one of the original "point-forwards" as well, I just didn't think you really needed one of those.

I agree that AK47 has more range than other bigs, but he's still not that consistent, and is often seen running around like a headless chicken on offense.

Basically my offense will be this:


Duncan obviously playing the Duncan role.

Penny will be similar to the Ginobli role but he'll also be able to post up a ton(and he'll get out in transition more often). Addittionally he can go back door for alley oops. While he won't be able to extend the defense all the way out to 3 point range, I don't think they're going to be able to sag off of him at all due to his vast scoring ability.

Harper, while not a great 3 point shooter, was 35.4% for his career which comes out to a TS% of 53.1 on 3 pointers alone. So hes someone who you must respect and can't simply leave open from 3.

Kirilenko and McCray both have average/below average midrange games but solid finishing abilities. If you leave them open they may pump fake a jumper and then drive and either finish or dish to keep the continuity of the offense flowing.

As I said, I definitely plan on getting a 3 point threat later on too.


What I like most about my offense is that I can post up multiple players and multiple players can drive and create the offense(actually pretty much everyone can). So I don't always have to go through Duncan. Duncan actually will be involved less in this offense than on the Spurs probably which will free him up for more offensive rebounds.
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Old 06-03-2008, 09:33 PM   #10427
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What is up with the picture you put for Rodney McCray??
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Old 06-03-2008, 09:33 PM   #10428
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Please. You know before this is all said and done you will be claiming that McHale was one of the greatest basketball strategists of this or any generation, and if he just hadn't signed Joe Smith to an under the table deal, he would be regarded as the greatest GM of all time.
it's true, I mean he did draft kg afterall, he is clearly the best gm ever.
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Old 06-03-2008, 09:34 PM   #10429
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haha, easily my favorite part about this thread and the EPL draft is someone saying "I am getting great value here"


Round 9, pick 300 Jim McIlvaine

I can't believe I am getting him here, just great value!
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Old 06-03-2008, 09:35 PM   #10430
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Come on Assani, I know you are one of the most knowledgeable posters here, but dare I say it... I don't have to.
good point, was thinking of the starting 5 only
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Old 06-03-2008, 09:38 PM   #10431
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I can't believe Clark got Caron Butler where he did, so sick.
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Old 06-03-2008, 09:39 PM   #10432
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Caron is an average defender at best
and Deng is an "elite defender"? there is way, way too much self-hype going on in this thread.

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agreed, although except for AK47 missing about 10 games they were all healthy for age 24, so at the very least I think I should be a favorite for the year 1 title.
haven't we already agreed 1000s of posts ago that what happened in real life won't necessarily happen in our imaginary world? grant hill could get hurt earlier (or not at all), same with the rest. cherrypicking games played from a certain year is the same as cherrypicking stats from a certain year, imo.

our evidence whether a player was injury prone is based on his whole career, not just "oh well he played X games for Y years and then got hurt, so at least I have Y years of usage".
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Old 06-03-2008, 09:39 PM   #10433
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haha, easily my favorite part about this thread and the EPL draft is someone saying "I am getting great value here"


Round 9, pick 300 Jim McIlvaine

I can't believe I am getting him here, just great value!
Yeah... my favorite quotes are that and "I'm shocked that so and so lasted this long."

now I must go back and check to see if I did that...
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Old 06-03-2008, 09:39 PM   #10434
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it's true, I mean he did draft kg afterall, he is clearly the best gm ever.
I do remember think at the time that he was a bit of a reach, lol.
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Old 06-03-2008, 09:40 PM   #10435
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oh and

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but McHale actually could pass pretty well, he just didn't.
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Old 06-03-2008, 09:41 PM   #10436
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and Deng is an "elite defender"? there is way, way too much self-hype going on in this thread.
eh I think he is from the games i've seen, plus his drtg has been amazing (except for last year) and I know how much u guys love ur stats ldo.
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Old 06-03-2008, 09:45 PM   #10437
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oh and



is lol hilarious
It's true man like I said i've never heard anyone say McHale was an awful passer, just that he didn't like to pass. Our coach will change that and promote an unselfish style of play, and even if McHale doesn't buy in (he should buy in cause hes a team player who accepted a role off the bench for 5+ years and did everything his coaches asked him to ldo) he is still one of, if not the best at scoring before double teams get there/even scoring on double teams.

But ya we will be working hard with McHale on being a willing passer ldo.
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Old 06-03-2008, 09:46 PM   #10438
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eh I think he is from the games i've seen, plus his drtg has been amazing (except for last year) and I know how much u guys love ur stats ldo.
coincidence that he played with Tyson Chandler the first two years, and a still pretty good Ben Wallace the 3rd?

who knows. i'm just saying the difference (if there even is one) between between deng and caron defensively is negligible

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It's true man like I said i've never heard anyone say McHale was an awful passer, just that he didn't like to pass. Our coach will change that and promote an unselfish style of play, and even if McHale doesn't buy in (he should buy in cause hes a team player who accepted a role off the bench for 5+ years and did everything his coaches asked him to ldo) he is still one of, if not the best at scoring before double teams get there/even scoring on double teams.

But ya we will be working hard with McHale on being a willing passer ldo.
i dont know, and this is my last post regarding this for now, but don't you think any of his other coaches would have asked him to pass more?
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Old 06-03-2008, 09:47 PM   #10439
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It's true man like I said i've never heard anyone say McHale was an awful passer, just that he didn't like to pass. Our coach will change that and promote an unselfish style of play, and even if McHale doesn't buy in (he should buy in cause hes a team player who accepted a role off the bench for 5+ years and did everything his coaches asked him too ldo) he is still one of, if not the best at scoring before double teams get there/even scoring on double teams.

But ya we will be working hard with McHale on being a willing passer ldo.
You do know that this is make-believe right? just checking...
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Old 06-03-2008, 09:47 PM   #10440
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I do remember think at the time that he was a bit of a reach, lol.
shows how much u know

McHale >>>> you ldo
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Old 06-03-2008, 09:48 PM   #10441
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It's true man like I said i've never heard anyone say McHale was an awful passer, just that he didn't like to pass. Our coach will change that and promote an unselfish style of play, and even if McHale doesn't buy in (he should buy in cause hes a team player who accepted a role off the bench for 5+ years and did everything his coaches asked him to ldo) he is still one of, if not the best at scoring before double teams get there/even scoring on double teams.

But ya we will be working hard with McHale on being a willing passer ldo.
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You do know that this is make-believe right? just checking...
What? I thought we could actually watch these games on tv wtf?
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Old 06-03-2008, 09:51 PM   #10443
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coincidence that he played with Tyson Chandler the first two years, and a still pretty good Ben Wallace the 3rd?

who knows. i'm just saying the difference (if there even is one) between between deng and caron defensively is negligible



i dont know, and this is my last post regarding this for now, but don't you think any of his other coaches would have asked him to pass more?
Well obv that helps that Deng played with an elite D bigman but I will also be putting elite D bigmen around him too (McHale was an elite defender and I plan on getting more very good bigmen defenders too).

And no, McHale's job was to score when he touched it, which has been said numerous times. We will still have him score also, I will just tell him to pass more often too.
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It's true man like I said i've never heard anyone say McHale was an awful passer, just that he didn't like to pass. Our coach will change that and promote an unselfish style of play, and even if McHale doesn't buy in (he should buy in cause hes a team player who accepted a role off the bench for 5+ years and did everything his coaches asked him to ldo) he is still one of, if not the best at scoring before double teams get there/even scoring on double teams.

But ya we will be working hard with McHale on being a willing passer ldo.
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Old 06-03-2008, 09:54 PM   #10445
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i've never heard anyone say McHale was an awful passer, just that he didn't like to pass.
when you make these statements, do you not realize people are going to laugh at them?
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Why? A lot of players in the NBA have became more willing passers through good coaching...
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Why? A lot of players in the NBA have became more willing passers through good coaching...
Great. So I guess once we all decide to focus our coaching staffs on passing, does that mean every team is equally awesome at it? I mean, what's stopping us all from doing that.
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when you make these statements, do you not realize people are going to laugh at them?
Ya cause they don't realize the difference between being a bad passer and not being a willing passer.
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Great. So I guess once we all decide to focus our coaching staffs on passing, does that mean every team is equally awesome at it? I mean, what's stopping us all from doing that.
To clarify I don't think my team will be awesome at passing, infact I think they will be one of the worst passing teams in this league, I still think they can do a good enough job off double teams to get it done though. (I only want them to pass off double teams anyway and score when they have 1v1 coverage).
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Old 06-03-2008, 09:58 PM   #10450
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I heard McHale was also an awesome 3 point shooter, he just never shot them.
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