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Old 06-03-2008, 07:48 PM   #10376
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btw, I think this is another great example of role players from today being way overvalued in this draft while roleplayers from the 80s slip.
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Old 06-03-2008, 07:50 PM   #10377
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btw, I think this is another great example of role players from today being way overvalued in this draft while roleplayers from the 80s slip.
I wouldn't say overvalued, it's more like a lot of people haven't heard of roleplayers from the 80's seeing as like almost everyone in this draft didn't follow basketball close in the 80's.
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Old 06-03-2008, 07:52 PM   #10378
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I bet this draft would look miles different if basketball-reference didn't exist.
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Old 06-03-2008, 07:53 PM   #10379
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I'm down for trading up so anyone who is shopping a pick PM me, I'm only like 6 picks away
My bad for wording this poorly since I got 2 pm's looking to trade down. Saying im "down" to trade up was dumb by me.

I'm looking to trade up, if the couple guys im targeting are gone I will also be interested in trading down.
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Old 06-03-2008, 07:54 PM   #10380
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Its funny...I wouldn't be surprised if the guy I want slips to me about 70 picks from now but I also wouldn't be surprised if he went next pick. The mid-late part of this draft is going to be awesome due to the uncertainty imo.
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Old 06-03-2008, 07:56 PM   #10381
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btw, old Lakers/Celts game on ESPN now
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Old 06-03-2008, 07:58 PM   #10382
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I bet this draft would look miles different if basketball-reference didn't exist.
I understand your point, but I might amend it to say "if the internet didn't exist", as theres plenty of other good sources available online.
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Old 06-03-2008, 08:00 PM   #10383
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btw, old Lakers/Celts game on ESPN now
thats not what my guide says, but you're right, thanks.
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Old 06-03-2008, 08:00 PM   #10384
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btw, was anybody else looking at McCray? I thought that I may have been able to trade down and still get him, but I really didn't want to risk it as I didn't see the combo of defensive stopper/highly efficient on offense anywere else besides him.
Apparently I'd been to his b-r page since it was greyed out when I just did a search for McCray, but I have no clue who he is.
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Old 06-03-2008, 08:08 PM   #10385
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I realize this might sound kind of dumb, but can we trade players?
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Old 06-03-2008, 08:08 PM   #10386
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I don't see why not.
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Old 06-03-2008, 08:10 PM   #10387
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I'll give you my tenth round pick for Starbury.
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Old 06-03-2008, 08:10 PM   #10388
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I'll give you my tenth round pick for Starbury.
I will give u my 10th also (it's higher than Dudd's I think).
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Old 06-03-2008, 08:10 PM   #10389
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I realize this might sound kind of dumb, but can we trade players?
Hell, apparently you guys have already traded picks; why not players?
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Old 06-03-2008, 08:13 PM   #10390
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I realize this might sound kind of dumb, but can we trade players?
yes
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Old 06-03-2008, 08:16 PM   #10391
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First lets look at my starting 5 offensively. In their age 24 seasons they put up 10.3, 22.2, 21.7, 15.3, and 12.2 points per game each. That comes out to 81.7 points per game from my starters.....and I think this is a key point. With so many teams drafted so far, you guys are talking about changing people's roles.
just to nitpick, you went from talking about Penny as your stud PG to now being your 2-guard.

Besides 2/5ths of your team being injury risks, the only real flaw I see in your squad is 3pt shooting. Harper is slightly +.. that's it.

And I think overall, you're really not THAT efficient of a team. You're efficient, but your lack of any major 3pt threat and a couple of weak FT shooters hurts you. You basically have one studly season out of Penny at 60% TS% (sick 2pt%).
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Old 06-03-2008, 08:18 PM   #10392
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To Assani :

Regarding the claimed 55%TS for Fat Lever on a normal team.

Yeah I might have been a little over-zealous with that number, but I do think that he would be a more efficient shooter, just how much is all speculation.
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Old 06-03-2008, 08:23 PM   #10393
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Regarding the claimed 55%TS for Fat Lever on a normal team.

Yeah I might have been a little over-zealous with that number, but I do think that he would be a more efficient shooter, just how much is all speculation.
Please see my post where I looked at other Denver players and how their TS% never really changed on other teams. Fat Lever shot poorly because he wasn't good at shooting imo.
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Old 06-03-2008, 08:33 PM   #10394
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Anyone who played in 1997 ought to be eligible for this. I'm not really complaining, more just marveling at Chief's longevity, that is amazing.
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Old 06-03-2008, 08:34 PM   #10395
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Anyone who played in 1997 ought to be eligible for this. I'm not really complaining, more just marveling at Chief's longevity, that is amazing.
lol qft I love parish
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Old 06-03-2008, 08:39 PM   #10396
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I bet this draft would look miles different if basketball-reference didn't exist.
Moncrief and Natt would still be unpicked, probably.
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Old 06-03-2008, 08:43 PM   #10397
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Regarding the picks:

Loul Deng - I like the pick, but I'm worried that your team doesn't have enough playmakers. Basically you've got a PG who isn't much of a penetrator and a bunch of 1v1 guys who don't really pass once they've got the ball. I'm having a hard time seeing how this offense will flow.

Caron - Another good value pick, and unlike Epi's team you can see really how this offense will come together. You've got great playmaking ability for Houston with a penetrator like Mookie and a post-up guy like Patrick. With the exception of Mookie, your other guys can shoot well enough to take some of the heat on Ewing. You're really not set up to space the floor well as well as you could, but your guy has arguably the most impossible shot to block. Defensively your team is the tits.

McRae - I looked at him, but excluded him for a number of reasons, and most of his deficiencies are magnified on your team.

I only saw him play with the Bulls, so I can't comment on his game from a viewer's prospective, but it looks like the only + to his game is his defense. With a low post player, particularly one that possesses Timmay's attributes, you are going to need spacing out there, and not having multiple 3 point threats will severely limit his effectiveness in the offense. Duncan is a great passer pre-dribble, but he's really not going to have anywhere to go with your current lineup because none of those guys can really shoot. With today's rules, I think he'll see a lot of defenses that cheat his direction, and passing out of those won't be as effective because there is no real penalty for doing so. Longevity-wise, obviously McRae has question marks.

To be honest, I'm puzzled that you didn't follow the blueprint of Duncan's current team. Out of all the players that went in the first 10 picks, I think he was the easiest to build into a better version of his championship squad. The Spurs have been so effective because they utilize Timmay's passing and their great strong-to-weakside ball movement on the perimeter, and there's no way that will happen with this current lineup. I just don't see how they'll be able to manufacture an efficient offense, when healthy.

Obviously your defense is going to be awesome, though.
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Old 06-03-2008, 08:44 PM   #10398
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Old 06-03-2008, 08:46 PM   #10399
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Regarding the picks:

Loul Deng - I like the pick, but I'm worried that your team doesn't have enough playmakers. Basically you've got a PG who isn't much of a penetrator and a bunch of 1v1 guys who don't really pass once they've got the ball. I'm having a hard time seeing how this offense will flow.
huh? Chauncey is a very good penetrator especially off pick and rolls.

I do agree about the passing thing, but Chauncey is a good passer (although not great for a pg), and the rest are all below average passers, but McHale actually could pass pretty well, he just didn't. I plan on getting a coach who preaches team basketball and works on these guys passing.
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Old 06-03-2008, 08:57 PM   #10400
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huh? Chauncey is a very good penetrator especially off pick and rolls.

I do agree about the passing thing, but Chauncey is a good passer (although not great for a pg), and the rest are all below average passers, but McHale actually could pass pretty well, he just didn't. I plan on getting a coach who preaches team basketball and works on these guys passing.



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