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Old 05-09-2008, 03:06 PM   #976
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BTW, folks, assani might be busy for a while:

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Old 05-09-2008, 03:06 PM   #977
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i think i better go back to the beginning and read the criteria and goal of this draft because i keep reading astonishing remarks like.. dirk is better than isiah etc... my first reaction to that is maybe isiah would of let dirk carry his gym bag, maybe. isiah had more toughness in his little toe than dirk has in his whole body. can you imagine dirk being good in the nba when they could actually touch the offensive guy ?? can you imagine dirk driving the lane and getting close lined by the bad boys like they used to do pippen ??? i can't, i think dirk would of went back to soccer.

maybe i missed something, going to read the rules right now..
You like Isiah way too much. Way too much. It's really not normal.
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Old 05-09-2008, 03:07 PM   #978
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Also, Ashy, it's "would have," not "would of".
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Old 05-09-2008, 03:08 PM   #979
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What does everyone think of Dwight Howard? I think it's a homer pick, but I def like it more than Isiah.
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Old 05-09-2008, 03:11 PM   #980
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Not the first available center I would have gone with, but its pretty solid.
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Old 05-09-2008, 03:15 PM   #981
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BTW, folks, assani might be busy for a while:

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He is easily the weirdest poster on this site. At least most people are consistent, he can go from something serious like this to acting completely off his rocker in a matter of days.
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Old 05-09-2008, 03:23 PM   #982
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Howard @ 17, which is a bit of a surprise, but not too much considering he is prob the best center left. But there are a number of Top 50 all time players still out there. Howards upside is v sexy though.

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Old 05-09-2008, 03:24 PM   #983
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NBA's ugliest man is still available FWIW
Why would anyone take cassell in the first round?
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Old 05-09-2008, 03:24 PM   #984
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IMO his current coach was a better C. (the big man coach)
Yea, I think its pretty clear that you are correct.
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Old 05-09-2008, 03:28 PM   #985
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Old 05-09-2008, 03:34 PM   #986
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IMO his current coach was a better C. (the big man coach)
This pretty much guarantees he gets picked next.
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Old 05-09-2008, 03:35 PM   #987
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This pretty much guarantees he gets picked next.
waa waa im not going to do this in the 3rd round or anything but c'mon if people dont know the top 50 players or whatever and are drafting they have no chance regardless. besides, the speculation is one of the fun elements of this league. i want to rub this in!
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Old 05-09-2008, 03:36 PM   #988
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I'm just pissed because I want him to slide to me at 31. No fricking way that happens.
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I think so too, but the Howard pick is pretty defensible. Dwight having a better career than Ewing wouldn't be the least bit surprising
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Old 05-09-2008, 03:41 PM   #990
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You like Isiah way too much. Way too much. It's really not normal.

i am originally from chicago, i am sure that has something to do with it.
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Old 05-09-2008, 03:43 PM   #991
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I think so too, but the Howard pick is pretty defensible. Dwight having a better career than Ewing wouldn't be the least bit surprising
but probably not the more likely outcome.

ewing hadn't been mentioned in this thread i think, but now he'll go within the next 3
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Old 05-09-2008, 03:46 PM   #992
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the only problem with a Ewing pick is you are dialed into 1 team - a Pat Riley/JVG type slow down grind it out defense first team. Not that this is bad - it's not - Dwight DOES give you more flexibility, since he's more athletic then Ewing and can play with a running team. (Hell, people don't talk about it, but even with Superman Orlando this year is a small ball run and gun 3pt shooting team)
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i'm sorta shocked he hasn't gone already

not sure why you don't think it's likely. Dwight's already a much more accomplished rebounder than Ewing ever was. And he dunks at will almost. And he's only 22. I actually think it's fairly likely.
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Old 05-09-2008, 03:55 PM   #994
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the only problem with a Ewing pick is you are dialed into 1 team - a Pat Riley/JVG type slow down grind it out defense first team.
Ewing was my other choice and this the main reason why I didn't pick him. He had very good years during the Rick Pitino including one year where they had the 4th fastest pace in the league, but still Ewing far excelled in slower offenses. Just not enough flexibility for me.

Hope thats not too detailed.
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Old 05-09-2008, 04:01 PM   #995
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I think so too, but the Howard pick is pretty defensible. Dwight having a better career than Ewing wouldn't be the least bit surprising
I figure he's 22, already averaging 20/14 and 2 without a shot. If he can learn to pass the Magic are going to be really good for a long while. He's already a very good defensive player and offensively I think he can still get better. Ewing was definitely tempting but defensively and rebounding wise I think Howard is and will be better although that would have been a great pick as well.
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I figure he's 22, already averaging 20/14 and 2 without a shot. He's already a very good defensive player and offensively I think he can still get better. Ewing was definitely tempting but defensively and rebounding wise I think Howard is and will be better although that would have been a great pick as well.
One small thing is Ewing was a much better foul shooter (IIR career 75 or something) Had to double check this, Dwight barely cracks the 60% mark. It means you need to make an adjustment for "hack a howard" (much as I need to prepare for Hack-a-shaq)...
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He's got the tools to be better defensively, but Ewing was no slouch. He anchored some of the better defensive teams the league has ever seen.

I'm actually starting to like Dwight over Ewing.
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One small thing is Ewing was a much better foul shooter (IIR career 75 or something) Had to double check this, Dwight barely cracks the 60% mark. It means you need to make an adjustment for "hack a howard" (much as I need to prepare for Hack-a-shaq)...
Duncan and Shaq both have been pretty poor FT shooters and both have 4 titles each. FT shooting is overrated to me for players although in Fantasy leagues FT shooting definitely hurts.
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Duncan and Shaq both have been pretty poor FT shooters and both have 4 titles each. FT shooting is overrated to me for players although in Fantasy leagues FT shooting definitely hurts.
my plan is to "make them when they count" ldo

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He's got the tools to be better defensively, but Ewing was no slouch. He anchored some of the better defensive teams the league has ever seen.

I'm actually starting to like Dwight over Ewing
meh, i don't think dwight is a bad pick by any stretch of the imagination, dude is a stud, but Ewing is probably slightly better. It's really close either way, and def. depends who you put around them.
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Old 05-09-2008, 04:17 PM   #1000
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Duncan and Shaq both have been pretty poor FT shooters and both have 4 titles each. FT shooting is overrated to me for players although in Fantasy leagues FT shooting definitely hurts.
FT shooting is not overrated. You want your best player taking that final shot in a close game. Its really difficult to do that if all the the defense has to do is foul to cut his production by 40 or 50% (not actual numbers since there will be and 1's but you get the point). Shaq found himself benched during these situations a lot more than a player of his caliber should. All because of his poor ft shooting.

Dwight is still a good pick though and I think there's a decent chance he will surpass Ewing in the future.
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