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Old 06-02-2008, 12:59 PM   #9851
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I also hate the Stackhouse pick, and especially the fit. You actually had me intriguied about your team after taking Bosh and Baron, but you really had to round it with good role players, not more inefficient would-be #1 options.
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Old 06-02-2008, 01:02 PM   #9852
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He left for a week with his pick just a few spots away and didn't leave a list of names? Ridiculous.
Well he left like 4-5 days ago and it wasn't really close to his pick then. But I'm gonna try and get in contact with him.
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Old 06-02-2008, 01:03 PM   #9853
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To all the N2 people, incase u didn't notice Danny Granger is avaliable for trade from my team, so get him while hes hot and before someone else trades for him ldo.
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Old 06-02-2008, 01:03 PM   #9854
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Yeah but BigCat's team is now a lot like the Warriors and that team is awesome to watch
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Old 06-02-2008, 01:08 PM   #9855
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God, SHUT THE **** UP! We've already told you who it would hurt and you don't ****ing listen. All you keep doing is ***** ***** bitching and it's more ****ing annoying than MEb and Epippen.
Buddy, no way you're that annoyed. I have 10 posts tops on this subject. Also, b/c you are obviously not reading my post seriously you are giving a false response to it. You have not provided one specific example of who would be hurt and how.

Also respond to these problems:

1. Having no veteran leadership/all players being the same age (this is idiotic)

2. Having to spot young players entire careers.

3. How will we deal with the Penny's and G-Hill's later in the simulation?
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Old 06-02-2008, 01:12 PM   #9856
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Who cares? With 3 years spans we can have much more complete teams. Not one team in this league of all 24 year olds could win the championship against a great (actual) title team. If you drafted a young guy you can have him as a young guy on your team (you can even be spotted two years of expected potential)...I mean, if we are going to invest like 4+ Months on this thing, we may as well make it as cool as possible. If you picked D-Will, or CP3, you just can't put them on your team as a veteran. What is wrong with that? What were we going to do when our players got into their 30s anyway? How were we going to deal with it? IMO when the draft is finished we should choose which 3 year span we want from each of our players (this will give owners a chance to further show off basketball knowledge and creativity) and then have both owners and draft spectators rank (seed) the teams and we will then run a playoffs. If the 40th ranked team matches up well against the 1st ranked team, we can vote on who wins the 7 game series or whatever.

Please imagine a team with all 24 year olds...

It would be all young cocky kids with little or no leadership skills fighting to be successful on their teams. No one would be able to realize a role (great teams have great role players) and games would basically play like it was the All-Star Rookie Vs. Sophs game. Games would be sloppy and most of the players we are drafting because of their great potentials OR great careers would not become the players we think they are. By the time our players reach mid-30s our league will be a complete debacle as we will have to argue and guess as to whether Grant Hill or Penny Hardaway definitely would have gotten injured or whether they can continue to play. We would also have to speculate that all the Durant's and D-Will's would definitely have had long, bountiful careers (which we cannot know). Note that its is much less of a stretch to just spot them a couple of years of improvement than it is to spot them entire Hall of Fame careers.

Believe me guys, we can make this work in a way that it will not drastically hurt any of the GMs...
As someone said, you can't change the rules now. The rules were set and there are reasons why people drafted certain people. Honestly if we were allowed to pick 3 year spans for certain players than the way the draft went would be very different. I wouldn't have drafted Dwight 17th since he hasn't had a 3 year span to the likes of some of the guys picked after him. If you want to start another thread then let's do it but you can't make a huge drastic change of the rules.

Also the meshing of teams is beyond the scope of this draft. Honestly it's going to be very hard to gage. Also maturity at certain ages is very ahrd to grasp as well. Who is going to be the judge of these things?
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Old 06-02-2008, 01:16 PM   #9857
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Buddy, no way you're that annoyed. I have 10 posts tops on this subject. Also, b/c you are obviously not reading my post seriously you are giving a false response to it. You have not provided one specific example of who would be hurt and how.

Also respond to these problems:

1. Having no veteran leadership/all players being the same age (this is idiotic)

2. Having to spot young players entire careers.

3. How will we deal with the Penny's and G-Hill's later in the simulation?
1. There are a decent amount of young guys who at 24 were leaders, Chris Paul (not even 24 yet), Deron Williams, KG, Duncan, Jordan, Bird, Shaq, DRob etc. It will also even out that everyone is 24 so leadership will probably come more from the coaching staff anyway.

2. That's the point of building a franchise, it will be for both the short term and long term

3. This is the hardest one, personally from all the things said, Penny was destined to have problems in a few years, and Grant Hill's injury was more of a freak accident (but he still was more injury prone than the normal person).

/end argument
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Old 06-02-2008, 01:16 PM   #9858
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Where does b-ref explain wtf the advanced stats mean? (I'm a newb)

Stackhouse appears to suck major balls on those metrics.
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Old 06-02-2008, 01:18 PM   #9859
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1. Having no veteran leadership/all players being the same age (this is idiotic)
Who cares?

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2. Having to spot young players entire careers.
We do best guess. If we did your method, how would Durant et al project? We take these players because they've valuable. They have a long shelf life (probably) and some of these guys look to be good soon (Durant could be good next year, or maybe in 2-3 years).

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3. How will we deal with the Penny's and G-Hill's later in the simulation?
They'll probably get hurt and their team will suck. That's why people passed on them. You're rewarding the people who took chances on these guys (but not on other, healthy young players) by limiting it to only 3 years and only the best 3 years. Also, you really limit guys like Mark Jackson who had good long careers but no big peak.
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Old 06-02-2008, 01:19 PM   #9860
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Where does b-ref explain wtf the advanced stats mean? (I'm a newb)

Stackhouse appears to suck major balls on those metrics.
Check "Glossary" - http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/glossary.html

Most of them are kind of self explanatory. If you have any more q's ask here on in the "Ask me about basketball stats" thread.
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Old 06-02-2008, 01:20 PM   #9861
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As someone said, you can't change the rules now. The rules were set and there are reasons why people drafted certain people. Honestly if we were allowed to pick 3 year spans for certain players than the way the draft went would be very different. I wouldn't have drafted Dwight 17th since he hasn't had a 3 year span to the likes of some of the guys picked after him. If you want to start another thread then let's do it but you can't make a huge drastic change of the rules.

Also the meshing of teams is beyond the scope of this draft. Honestly it's going to be very hard to gage. Also maturity at certain ages is very ahrd to grasp as well. Who is going to be the judge of these things?
OK, understood.

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Old 06-02-2008, 01:40 PM   #9862
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All,

Prob won't get to pick til early tonight, just FYI.

JoA,

Weak, I had one thing I argued on about and actually tried to have it discussed outside this thread by creating a new thread, but others kept talking about it in here instead. Nowhere near some others who have been fighting about the same stupid crap constantly since beginning of thread.

VanExel,

Glad to see you dropped that argument because it was getting borderline ridiculous. We all realize there may have been more ideal ways to do this, but this far into the draft we can almost all agree that it would be extremely unfair to change a rule that is that much of a factor on all of this.
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Old 06-02-2008, 01:44 PM   #9863
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Stackhouse sucks imo.
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Old 06-02-2008, 01:47 PM   #9864
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All,

Prob won't get to pick til early tonight, just FYI.
You realize its ur pick right now right meb?
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Old 06-02-2008, 01:55 PM   #9865
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won't really matter since GKA is MIA
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Old 06-02-2008, 02:29 PM   #9866
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Stackhouse is so awful. Wow.

When I picked Natt--which is one of the hottest picks of this draft btw--I had a few others that would have been very nice picks as well and Stack wasn't even on my radar.
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Old 06-02-2008, 02:29 PM   #9867
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You realize its ur pick right now right meb?
Yes, and while I have it narrowed down, I want to do some more research before officially making my pick, and I won't be able to do that at work, so I was just giving everyone fair warning. I'll still be getting it in early tonight though.
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Old 06-02-2008, 02:31 PM   #9868
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won't really matter since GKA is MIA
Standard. Replacement owner like in N2 ftw!
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Old 06-02-2008, 02:33 PM   #9869
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I'll take over and be sure not to pick anyone I want to fall to me!
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Old 06-02-2008, 02:34 PM   #9870
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He and I had thrown a couple players around so I have a vague idea of who he wants if I can't come into contact with him. Bobbo might have an even better idea of who he wanted.
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Old 06-02-2008, 02:36 PM   #9871
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Standard. Replacement owner like in N2 ftw!
where's the DoB at?
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Old 06-02-2008, 03:16 PM   #9872
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Stackhouse is pretty bad
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Old 06-02-2008, 03:16 PM   #9873
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Stackhouse should've been picked as a sixth man for BigCat's team or someone's fast explosive offense... I don't know, I just like hyper inefficient guys who draw fouls off coming off the bench in this format. As part of the primary squad, bad. Team needed a guy with range.
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Old 06-02-2008, 03:24 PM   #9874
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Someone had PM'd me about Stackhouse a few picks ago and my response was: probably about 30 picks too early.
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Old 06-02-2008, 04:31 PM   #9875
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I am interested in hearing some feedback about my intention to play Gay at the 2? Can it work? He seems to have fairly similar body/skillset to Durant, so I figured it was an option....
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