Don't know why I thought semis...

They did play them in the semis the year before(and the 1st round the year before that), so maybe thats what you were thinking of.

I think youre right...

Also, on Brand vs. Webber...

Brand is a very skilled, incredibly consistent player. He will always produce, but he will never be great. He just doesn't have that higher gear that great players do. He is just a very good player and that's it.

Webber is grossly more talented than Brand but a much worse worker (Webber is obv on the "All-High Team"...However, Webber has been excellent at times. If Brand were that good one would think he could lead a team to the playoffs once in a while...

Ron Artest scored 24.6 ppg with a .608 TS% in 04-05. He's clearly a very efficient scorer! Oh wait, he did that in 7 games.

First of all, you blatantly made up numbers in their prime years. And when you clarified Webber's prime, not only was it only 3 years, it was worse than you claimed and he missed significant time in his best year.

Finally, comparing their career highs was extremely dishonest when you use pre-24 year old stats and short seasons.

not Assani's finest hour, but I have faith. Assani Akbar!

I'm just gonna go ahead here and say Webber is better than Brand, ok? greattttt

I guess the word approximately means nothing.

Brand was one win away from the WCF, and I'm pretty sure he had much less help than that Kings team.

It sure as hell doesn't mean cherry picking fringe performances in short samples to generalize a player's overall production over a several year period.

I didn't cherry pick. I took each player's career highs. How is that cherry picking? Yes I realize some of those highs were on small sample sizes....still isn't cherry picking.

Sam Cassell, Chris Kaman, and Corey Maggette have all been drafted already. That wasnt a bad team at all.

They didn't have anyone near as good as Peja.

Chris Webber never hit his true potential because of his injuries. He was a much more explosive player pre-injury who finished much better around the rim than he did later in his career. Even then, he was still a great defender and passer. He really could've changed the way big men play the game before guys like Howard, Amare, etc did. So, it's kind of hard to argue that he was better from 26-28.

Except Cassell wasn't in his prime and Kaman wasn't as good as he was this year.

I like Webber as a real life player more than Brand. However the "zomg he carried these scrubs" post is nuts. That team was freaking stacked and maybe the best team of the modern era to not win an NBA title. Peja was insanely good then, Christie was the best wing defender in the league and was still good on offense, Bibby was an absolute stud at the time. They were deep, versatile and happened to run into two top-10 all time players near their peaks and still should've won.

This.


C'mon. Where guys are drafted is somewhat irrelevant in this discussion. Cassell was way past his prime, Kaman sucked, Maggette was in the doghouse for his refusal to play adequate D and team ball. I agree that it "wasn't a bad team at all", but it was light years away from the supporting cast Webber had.

Again, I think Webber > Brand, but you're really going about it the wrong way imo.

Brand has only been to the playoffs once in 9 seasons...

You approximated their numbers in their prime. Obviously picking career highs from various years will always overestimate an average year for a player, especially when you're not just listing their best year, but a composite of varying numbers from different years. But you knew that, and were just trolling, right?

Yeah, but the Clippers are like the worst franchise ever.

You can't be a one man show in the NBA. Garnett missed the playoffs 3 seasons in a row in his prime.

man there is going to be some slim ****ing picking in rounds 8 and 9.

Garnett is overrated...

Also, see LeBron James...

lol

nice swinging neck breaker, and nice level too.

It's either ******ed, lazy, or *extremely* dishonest when you provide no context about that sort of thing.

If you're comparing them, and their primes, at least post the real numbers and at least use the numbers relevant to the draft.


Brand's actual numbers from age 24-27: 21.3/9.8/2.8/2.4/0.9 and 57% TS
Webber from 26-28: 25.4 Points/ 10.6 REB/ 4.5 AST/ 1.6 BLK / and a .527% TS.

That's a pretty big difference in TS. Webber attempted about 5 more FG per game than Brand did.

The biggest difference? Those are Webber's *only* good post 24 years. In fact, since turning 24 he's put up only 4 years of better than .500 TS% and one of them was of below average efficiency.