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06-01-2008 , 01:26 PM
Fair enough, ~ 15 spots not 15 teams. I think he was great value at 49 too.
06-01-2008 , 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by MEbenhoe Modern Era NBA Build a Franchise Draft Discussion - Let's Get'er Done
I like how you just made up stats here, well done Assani. Why am I not surprised that you did this again?
huh?
06-01-2008 , 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Assani Fisher Modern Era NBA Build a Franchise Draft Discussion - Let's Get'er Done
huh?
Don't act stupid, you constantly make up or cherry pick stats and state them as something they are not in order to make your point. The stats you listed for Webber's and Brand's prime are completely made up.
06-01-2008 , 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Assani Fisher Modern Era NBA Build a Franchise Draft Discussion - Let's Get'er Done
I'M NOT ARGUING MCHALE ANYMORE.
06-01-2008 , 01:35 PM
Here are their career season highs MEB:

Webber on left/Brand on right

27.1 points/22.7 points
58.1% TS/58.6% TS
13.0 rebounds/11.6 rebounds
16.7 rebound %/17.3 rebound %
5.4 assists/3.3 assists
27.0 assist %/16.0 assist %
2.2 blocks/2.5 blocks
4.1 block %/4.9 block%
1.8 steals/1.1 steals
2.5 steal %/1.5 steal %
06-01-2008 , 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by MEbenhoe Modern Era NBA Build a Franchise Draft Discussion - Let's Get'er Done
Don't act stupid, you constantly make up or cherry pick stats and state them as something they are not in order to make your point. The stats you listed for Webber's and Brand's prime are completely made up.
No they are not. Please go list their appox. prime stats then. Please, I beg you to. After you're done doing that, we'll put your stats next to mine and see how badly I "made them up."
06-01-2008 , 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Assani Fisher Modern Era NBA Build a Franchise Draft Discussion - Let's Get'er Done
Webber's approx prime numbers: 25/10.5/4.5/1.7/1.5 on 54% TS

Brand's appox prime numbers: 19/9.0/2.5/2.0/0.9 on 56% TS
From Webber's 24-29 years his TS% was .515. He scored 23.7 ppg on 20.6 shots. Now the league couldn't score well then, but it's still below average.
06-01-2008 , 01:37 PM
Oh and Brand has made the playoffs one year, whereas Webber has been a pretty big winner nearly everywhere hes been.
06-01-2008 , 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack of Arcades Modern Era NBA Build a Franchise Draft Discussion - Let's Get'er Done
From Webber's 24-29 years his TS% was .515. He scored 23.7 ppg on 20.6 shots. Now the league couldn't score well then, but it's still below average.
At age 24 he hadn't hit his prime yet(probably due to injuries). Do it for just 26-28.
06-01-2008 , 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Assani Fisher Modern Era NBA Build a Franchise Draft Discussion - Let's Get'er Done
Here are their career season highs MEB:

Webber on left/Brand on right

27.1 points/22.7 points
58.1% TS/58.6% TS
13.0 rebounds/11.6 rebounds
16.7 rebound %/17.3 rebound %
5.4 assists/3.3 assists
27.0 assist %/16.0 assist %
2.2 blocks/2.5 blocks
4.1 block %/4.9 block%
1.8 steals/1.1 steals
2.5 steal %/1.5 steal %
Why are you using his age 22 numbers? Chris Webber's highest TS% in this league was .540, and he only played 54 games then.
06-01-2008 , 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Assani Fisher Modern Era NBA Build a Franchise Draft Discussion - Let's Get'er Done
At age 24 he hadn't hit his prime yet(probably due to injuries). Do it for just 26-28.
.527.
06-01-2008 , 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by MEbenhoe Modern Era NBA Build a Franchise Draft Discussion - Let's Get'er Done
Brand is better offensively, more efficient, better rebounder, they're both great on defense, and webber is a better passer. It's close, but Brand > Webber.
Brand is not a better rebounder. As has been pointed out, on offense Webber was often put 10-15ft from the basket. This doesn't allow him to go after offensive rebound as often. However, if you just look at their defensive rebounding where they both are unaffected by their team's system, then Webber is CLEARLY the better rebounder.

Brand is more efficient because he scores less bulk. He is not better offensively though, as Webber scores in more bulk and dishes out a bunch of assists.

Basically Brand is more efficent and gets more blocks. Webber has more bulk scoring, is a better passer, and gets more steals. I'd easily take Webber here.
06-01-2008 , 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack of Arcades Modern Era NBA Build a Franchise Draft Discussion - Let's Get'er Done
Why are you using his age 22 numbers? Chris Webber's highest TS% in this league was .540, and he only played 54 games then.
I'm not, I was using their career best numbers from any year. Obviously in this league, we have no clue how they'd play after 24.
06-01-2008 , 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Assani Fisher Modern Era NBA Build a Franchise Draft Discussion - Let's Get'er Done
Here are their career season highs MEB:


58.1% TS Age 22 season
13.0 rebounds Strike year, .485 TS% too! Next highest is 11.1
16.7 rebound % Same as above, next highest (in the league) is 15.0 at 34.
5.4 assists/ Highest of his eligible years by .6 assists
27.0 assist % You're using a partial year, highest is actually 24.6
2.2 blocks Not eligible year. Next highest was strike year.
4.1 block % Not eligible, highest eligible is 3.5%
1.8 steals Not eligible, but his best is 1.6
FYP
06-01-2008 , 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Assani Fisher Modern Era NBA Build a Franchise Draft Discussion - Let's Get'er Done
I'm not, I was using their career best numbers from any year. Obviously in this league, we have no clue how they'd play after 24.
lol in his age 22 season where you got his ts% he played 15 games.

Quit making **** up.
06-01-2008 , 01:52 PM
The numbers you posted for Brand:

Brand's appox prime numbers: 19/9.0/2.5/2.0/0.9 on 56% TS

Brand's actual numbers from age 24-27: 21.3/9.8/2.8/2.4/0.9 and 57% TS

Also, what's best is there is no legitimate set of stats you could've used to come up with the Brand numbers.
06-01-2008 , 01:53 PM
wtf is "not eligible"? I looked at both player's stats and posted the highest ones in each category. I never said they were eligible for league leader stats or anything.
06-01-2008 , 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by MEbenhoe Modern Era NBA Build a Franchise Draft Discussion - Let's Get'er Done
The numbers you posted for Brand:

Brand's appox prime numbers: 19/9.0/2.5/2.0/0.9 on 56% TS

Brand's actual numbers from age 24-27: 21.3/9.8/2.8/2.4/0.9 and 57% TS

Also, what's best is there is no legitimate set of stats you could've used to come up with the Brand numbers.
You guys seem to be confusing this league's rules with this debate. In our league, we get every player at age 24. In this debate over a player's prime years I'm including every year of his prime years.

In my opinion, Brand is one of those rare player who pretty much hit his prime his rookie year...yes I realize thats rare, but look at his stats that year(and the following year). Maybe you could argue it took him a year or two...but regardless I'm not just looking at 24 onwards here.

If you want to just focus on 24 onwards, then yes I'd agree with you.
06-01-2008 , 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Assani Fisher Modern Era NBA Build a Franchise Draft Discussion - Let's Get'er Done
No, Deron wen #49...I'm saying I would've taken him about 15 spots earlier. I like him over everyone drafted #37 or later except Pierce, Moncrief, and Kemp. And I probably like him over a few of the higher first round guys too. 15 was just an estimation I made without even looking at the draft board....basically I just see him as a steal. I could easily see him considered in the Payton/Kidd class when his career is done and look where they went.
LeBron may be considered G.O.A.T. when it is all said and done, he should be picked first IMO...
06-01-2008 , 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by van_exel_fan Modern Era NBA Build a Franchise Draft Discussion - Let's Get'er Done
Conference semis imo...
Western Conference Finals (4-3): Los Angeles Lakers over Sacramento Kings

game 7 boxscore: http://www.basketball-reference.com/...206020SAC.html
06-01-2008 , 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by van_exel_fan Modern Era NBA Build a Franchise Draft Discussion - Let's Get'er Done
LeBron may be considered G.O.A.T. when it is all said and done, he should be picked first IMO...
I think there was definitely a case for Lebron at #1 through #3, although I would've gone with MJ #1.
06-01-2008 , 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack of Arcades Modern Era NBA Build a Franchise Draft Discussion - Let's Get'er Done

Quit making **** up.
I don't know what else you want me to do...I went to their stats page and took the highest number from each category, no questions asked. I posted that here. How is that "making **** up"?
06-01-2008 , 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Assani Fisher Modern Era NBA Build a Franchise Draft Discussion - Let's Get'er Done
I think there was definitely a case for Lebron at #1 through #3, although I would've gone with MJ #1.
I know, I'm just not digging arguments like "Bosh plays like a young Garnett, in fact, he may wind up better." or "D-Will had one awesome season and I don't see him getting worse therefore he is as good as Payton, Kidd in this format imo"...
06-01-2008 , 02:04 PM
Hey Assani, thanks for defending Webber.

As Assani's saying Webber spent a lot less time parked down low than Brand, and still pulled down 10 rebounds a game. His career number (remembering his career is over now so his decline is included where Brands isnt) is .4 lower than Brands so I dont know where Brand is a better rebounder is coming from.

Also when Webber took that team deep in the playoffs, Vlade was way past his prime and Bibby was still an awful defender (I dont like the Bibby pick because of this, the guy is seriously terrible on D). Granted Peja was probably at his best, but hey Im not trying to claim the guys a 1 man team.

xorbie,

Yeah I know I think lack of three point shooting and elite post D is what Im missing and it was just the way the draft has fallen so far. I was really hoping for Vlade or Grant to team with Webber but those both got snapped up just before my third round pick (hence me trading back at that point). I should be able to get guys who can shoot the 3 ball better (although Blackman and Howard arent that bad) to come off the bench and with the way Im intending the team to be a very versatile 9 man rotation, that should suit me fine.

Brand vs Webber career comparison I meant to include: http://www.basketball-reference.com/...bech01&y2=2008

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